The male, for all his bravado and exploration, is the loyal one, the one who generally feels love. The female is skilled at betrayal and torture and damnation.
The words of a fucked-up guy who treated women badly. What would he expect to receive in return? *shakes head* “What goes around comes around.” If he wanted to play the victim that only exposes his egotistic, self-serving nature.
women have an inherent evil, that some would name insecurity, that some would chalk up the common emotion among women of feeling stiffled and therefor must exert dominance in the most pithy, self deprecating, and passive aggressive ways possible….i do not subscribe to any particular doctrine of hate, men hating, women hating, not a biggot, not a conservative, neo nazi, racist, or a fascist….i hate all ppl equally…..which please dont misunderstand as i hate all people, if you happen to be, in plain speak, an asshole, i hate you regardless of sex, sexual orientation, race creed culture or religion……..that being said, i know there is a deeper truth in his words that can be found in his dirty limmerecks and, well, basically everything he wrote in ” Women”…he has been hurt and what you see bleeding and scathing on the page is his unadulterated temper tantrum because the pain that women have caused……some of it it also a parody of this….he is able to depict himself as the callous fool in his work, he is still able to find humor in humility…..anyways, that’s how i read it….but the intentions i’m hoping kotin will find in this is that people will hurt you deeply, and as farcicle and as impossible as it sounds, to do your best not to let these people diminish your love, your trust, your fucking humanity for christs sake…..there have been bad things that have been taken from me that i know i can never fix, i will always be in some ways diminished, in some ways broken….but you have to fight for anyrhing of you that left in the wake of these tragedies, heartbreak and deception by those we love r high on my list of top 10 most shitty things…..
What it comes down to is: people are people. Men and women experience the same spectrum of emotions and thus have similar reactions to situations. A male in his 50’s can react in exactly the same manner as a 17-year-old girl when dealing with relationship issues. Also, dominance, control, etc? That’s a trait of both genders. If both parties feel equal there should be no need for power struggles.
Women as a whole aren’t ‘evil’ any more than men are evil. Are there a lot of messed up people who treat others like shit? Yes. Does that make them evil all the time, 24/7? No. Not unless they have full awareness of what they are doing, why they are doing it, and have the full intention to hurt another person without just cause, and never experience remorse later.
Most people are simply clueless and fucked up. Like this Mr. Charles Bukowski. The fact that he didn’t want to take responsibility for the very real ways he destroyed his relationships, due to disrespecting and abusing his p*rtners, shows his lack of self-awareness. It can be easy to blame the other person for all our problems, not wanting to come to terms with the ugly truth of who we actually are and all the mistakes we have made.
then why are the majority of domestic violence cases perpetrated by men? hmm, if you’re going to generalize anyone men are the furthest from innocent imo
Well cathy…just read your post. Firstly, I’m a man. Secondly, I’ve never been abused by a women (nor abused a woman either) but have been abused by men for over 50 years…so my experience most definitely indicates that men are the issue not women. I think you’ll find that if you did some research you will find that:
– Most rape/sexual assault is perpetrated by men on women
– Most domestic violence is caused by men not women
– Most wars are started by men and are perpetrated by men
– Most child abuse cases are caused by men
– Most acts of physical violence are caused by men
– It’s generally been men that enact laws that persecute or oppress another group in society
I could go on but I think you get the picture. Oh, and you think what I’ve listed above is just bullshit then do your homework and prove me wrong. Look forward to your rebuttal.
All men start off life as a woman. It’s true. After fertilization, the fetus is female until it’s hit with some McUterus secret-sauce that differentiates it. All the pro and anti crap is tedious. We’re all human.
Trouble is Xanadu is that it is a very simple fact that men are the perpetrators of most evil acts throughout history that continues to this day. Ignoring that only serves to maintain the unacceptable. Men need to have an awakening…maybe it’ll come, slowly I fear.
In the past few days a report out of India showed that 6 out of 10 men admit to beating their wives, there is also a gang rape issue going on there that they are very well aware of. But this is not restricted to India is everywhere. In Kenya in the past few days there are reports of public violence and humiliation of women for wearing mini skirts with many men publicly admitting they’ll continue the violence. Doesn’t seem to matter that some of these men were wearing shorts but there you go hey. My last partner had an Aprehended Violence Order against him. Abuse is the lowest form of behaviour there is…period. I detest it with every spec of my being.
The gender is determinent on the male sperm when the egg is fertilized if a Y sperm gets to the egg first the baby will be male & if an X sperm gets to the egg first it’ll be female.
it was not my intent to speak on the vile nature that the violence of men can beget….i dont know what your sexual proclivities may be, nor do i think it’s relevent, to clarify my meaning, thru your previous posts i divined that you are a loving and caring person, and as result of this may have been exposed to some personal strife, in regards to your intimate relationships with others…i apologize if you grifted some other message, i hope i have made myself more translucent
Some people are born fucked. Some are abused and grow up to be abusers. Some emotionally abuse (cant be seen, though symptoms of it might show up). There are really so many factors. Some people just don’t get it, and never will. Things can influence a person and that includes their upbringing.
bukowski never abused anyone but himself, and the comment was not ment to incite a heated debate on who sucks more, but to speak as an advocate to the broken hearted of faithful men to fickle women…..no quote can speak to the whole of humanity, all men are a certain way, all women are as such, that’s fucking pristine idiocy, my intention was to profer some comfort to another person, and his circumstance, which i wrongly assumed was a break between him (btw, i knew you were a dude) and another…..i apologize for my mistake
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The words of a fucked-up guy who treated women badly. What would he expect to receive in return? *shakes head* “What goes around comes around.” If he wanted to play the victim that only exposes his egotistic, self-serving nature.
have you ever read bukowski???
women have an inherent evil, that some would name insecurity, that some would chalk up the common emotion among women of feeling stiffled and therefor must exert dominance in the most pithy, self deprecating, and passive aggressive ways possible….i do not subscribe to any particular doctrine of hate, men hating, women hating, not a biggot, not a conservative, neo nazi, racist, or a fascist….i hate all ppl equally…..which please dont misunderstand as i hate all people, if you happen to be, in plain speak, an asshole, i hate you regardless of sex, sexual orientation, race creed culture or religion……..that being said, i know there is a deeper truth in his words that can be found in his dirty limmerecks and, well, basically everything he wrote in ” Women”…he has been hurt and what you see bleeding and scathing on the page is his unadulterated temper tantrum because the pain that women have caused……some of it it also a parody of this….he is able to depict himself as the callous fool in his work, he is still able to find humor in humility…..anyways, that’s how i read it….but the intentions i’m hoping kotin will find in this is that people will hurt you deeply, and as farcicle and as impossible as it sounds, to do your best not to let these people diminish your love, your trust, your fucking humanity for christs sake…..there have been bad things that have been taken from me that i know i can never fix, i will always be in some ways diminished, in some ways broken….but you have to fight for anyrhing of you that left in the wake of these tragedies, heartbreak and deception by those we love r high on my list of top 10 most shitty things…..
What it comes down to is: people are people. Men and women experience the same spectrum of emotions and thus have similar reactions to situations. A male in his 50’s can react in exactly the same manner as a 17-year-old girl when dealing with relationship issues. Also, dominance, control, etc? That’s a trait of both genders. If both parties feel equal there should be no need for power struggles.
Women as a whole aren’t ‘evil’ any more than men are evil. Are there a lot of messed up people who treat others like shit? Yes. Does that make them evil all the time, 24/7? No. Not unless they have full awareness of what they are doing, why they are doing it, and have the full intention to hurt another person without just cause, and never experience remorse later.
Most people are simply clueless and fucked up. Like this Mr. Charles Bukowski. The fact that he didn’t want to take responsibility for the very real ways he destroyed his relationships, due to disrespecting and abusing his p*rtners, shows his lack of self-awareness. It can be easy to blame the other person for all our problems, not wanting to come to terms with the ugly truth of who we actually are and all the mistakes we have made.
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then why are the majority of domestic violence cases perpetrated by men? hmm, if you’re going to generalize anyone men are the furthest from innocent imo
Well cathy…just read your post. Firstly, I’m a man. Secondly, I’ve never been abused by a women (nor abused a woman either) but have been abused by men for over 50 years…so my experience most definitely indicates that men are the issue not women. I think you’ll find that if you did some research you will find that:
– Most rape/sexual assault is perpetrated by men on women
– Most domestic violence is caused by men not women
– Most wars are started by men and are perpetrated by men
– Most child abuse cases are caused by men
– Most acts of physical violence are caused by men
– It’s generally been men that enact laws that persecute or oppress another group in society
I could go on but I think you get the picture. Oh, and you think what I’ve listed above is just bullshit then do your homework and prove me wrong. Look forward to your rebuttal.
All men start off life as a woman. It’s true. After fertilization, the fetus is female until it’s hit with some McUterus secret-sauce that differentiates it. All the pro and anti crap is tedious. We’re all human.
Trouble is Xanadu is that it is a very simple fact that men are the perpetrators of most evil acts throughout history that continues to this day. Ignoring that only serves to maintain the unacceptable. Men need to have an awakening…maybe it’ll come, slowly I fear.
In the past few days a report out of India showed that 6 out of 10 men admit to beating their wives, there is also a gang rape issue going on there that they are very well aware of. But this is not restricted to India is everywhere. In Kenya in the past few days there are reports of public violence and humiliation of women for wearing mini skirts with many men publicly admitting they’ll continue the violence. Doesn’t seem to matter that some of these men were wearing shorts but there you go hey. My last partner had an Aprehended Violence Order against him. Abuse is the lowest form of behaviour there is…period. I detest it with every spec of my being.
The gender is determinent on the male sperm when the egg is fertilized if a Y sperm gets to the egg first the baby will be male & if an X sperm gets to the egg first it’ll be female.
it was not my intent to speak on the vile nature that the violence of men can beget….i dont know what your sexual proclivities may be, nor do i think it’s relevent, to clarify my meaning, thru your previous posts i divined that you are a loving and caring person, and as result of this may have been exposed to some personal strife, in regards to your intimate relationships with others…i apologize if you grifted some other message, i hope i have made myself more translucent
that’s supposed to be how it usually is anyway but there are other variables which aren’t too well known about
Some people are born fucked. Some are abused and grow up to be abusers. Some emotionally abuse (cant be seen, though symptoms of it might show up). There are really so many factors. Some people just don’t get it, and never will. Things can influence a person and that includes their upbringing.
bukowski never abused anyone but himself, and the comment was not ment to incite a heated debate on who sucks more, but to speak as an advocate to the broken hearted of faithful men to fickle women…..no quote can speak to the whole of humanity, all men are a certain way, all women are as such, that’s fucking pristine idiocy, my intention was to profer some comfort to another person, and his circumstance, which i wrongly assumed was a break between him (btw, i knew you were a dude) and another…..i apologize for my mistake