I’m about 13 hours too late when i read a farewell post by Wndozh8r. Very upsetting to see him go but i understand both sides.
SP, i just wish you would rethink this rule. People contemplating suicide will either do it or not. It’s just a matter of time for me. If it weren’t for Wndozh8r there would’ve been good chance that i would suffer a very painful attempt and survive. My family, friends and colleagues would find out my dark secret. I could even be locked up in a pysch ward. My survival would be a bigger nightmare than this current one I’m living.
Even though i have enjoyed moments using this site, it does not change how i feel. When its time, i will go. This site only made it not hurt as much while i wait.
In your rules u state u want us to survive that little longer, another hour, another day. Why not think about those who don’t have knowledge on methods and survive. You need to educate them. Stop them from becoming brain damage, out of pocket from a scam, etc.
Thank you Wndoz8r, if it weren’t for you, i would either have brain damage from carbon monoxide poisoning and possibly hurting my neighbors. Or from a painful survival because i opted for a hand gun at the shooting range.
SP u need to review this rule.
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Although i understand your point of view i disagree. There are enough sites abt methods. This site is abt sharing your story.
And i saw wndozh8r leave a comment a bit ago saying hes back 🙂
This is the first found and only sure I used. What made me join was the post I read from 2009 and it was detailed methods post. I know the rules have changed and I’ve read why they are kept. The thing is I don’t which method sites are reliable. Until Wndoz8r have me one lol. And yes, I noticed he is back after putting my post up 🙂
*first site I found and only site I use
I know the Internet is often a legal gray area, but I wonder if perhaps a site that did allow such discussions might not be opening themselves up to major liability lawsuits from families and, possibly, injured parties who aren’t successful.
Not sure. But if the site isn’t actually giving out advice, they wouldn’t be liable would they?
Considering some lawyers these days, I think they’d look for any possible target to blame when there’s money involved.
True, esp in the states. The company would need to be based in a country where they couldn’t be extradited. But then again, a disclaimer could prevent lawsuits.
I think Ibigzero made an excellent point and while I’m one of the most hardcore free speech advocates around, I have to agree with him and also side with the site owners.
This place is a great forum to share ideas/feelings and get support as most people here are pretty decent aside from the odd nutjob or two.
I think discussing methods could potentially lead to a lawsuit-say someone takes advice off here, then injures themselves, they’ll be looking for someone to blame/sue.
But it’s a double-edged sword….often the advice I give, has been against most methods, like slicing wrists, shooting and so on. I tend to encourage people to seek out safe reliable means.
However in general I tend to avoid getting into such discussions, unless I see some desperate sounding soul, looking for a quick and very risky way out like OD’ing on aspirin or drinking antifreeze, then I might pipe up to save themselves from a world of pain.
It is clearly stated in the rules already. Frankly it is up to the site owners to put any rule they want. If you don’t feel happy here then just go because obviously this site isn’t meant for you, bro, sorry.
Yeah I got it loud and clear bro. Didn’t need a member telling me to go, bro…
Possibly. We’ll need a lawyer’s knowledge on this topic. Any suicidal lawyers reading this???
This world, society, the law etc, is keeping some of us alive against our will. They make it so hard to find a peaceful exit. Instead we have to resort to such violent acts that can leave us in a vegetable state.
I now realized this site is one of the above pro life groups. SP doesn’t understand what it is like to be ‘trapped’, instead it’s trying to ‘heal us’ and live longer While not realizing their intent is hurting us longer. I guess I just misunderstood.
Well I have my end game planned for the near future, it’s as perfect as it can be. I can’t support this site any longer. The intent of this site is making me angrier. And I have to abide by the rules or leave.
I think you’ve misunderstood what people have said. To an extent you’re right that this site tends to promote life over suicide-however, they do allow people to discuss suicide and support it. They’re obviously walking a fine line here and you should give it more consideration before jumping to conclusions.
Methods are not allowed because there are laws in place that could lead to very serious consequences for some people. Don’t blame the site for that, blame society-actually blame religious shitheads for creating those laws, who harp on the “sanctity of life” because some celestial santa claus wrote it in some magic ancient mythology book-don’t get me started.
Anyhow what you decide is of course up to you-but I think that you’ll realize there’s more freedom of speech here than you might’ve thought.
Just to give you an example-I got banned from a major Israeli site because I was supporting Israel/Jews and attacking Jew-haters/anti-semities. I’m the good guy-standing up for oppressed people and those scumbags banned me.
I was banned off a Christian site for defending Atheism from Christians that were bad-mouthing us. lol So anyways, although it’s a bit of a non sequitor, I think there’s more freedom/openness here than what I’ve experienced elsewhere.
By ‘us’ I meant Atheists like myself.
Sometimes, even if you don’t mean to hurt someone with a discussion of methods, there a chance you could. So I believe that’s why it’s best to avoid it all together.
I was very confused about that also because I believe every person who is actively suicidal will already know of these methods, so I didn’t understand why we were not allowed to talk about them. But reading everyone’s comment here I can understand the dangers.
Yeah. Wndozh said he was back. I’m glad because it’s really hard to see people leave.
We are not a methods site. Go use your friend Google to find such sites.
We about hope, not death. If you take your own life, that’s your choice. But we don’t want to help people do that with concrete steps.
This hasn’t changed in 11 years and will not change in the next 11. If you don’t understand this, you fundamentally don’t get why we’re here.
Well within those 11 years there were many posts about detailed methods. I guess u did change a little over the years. It doesn’t matter anymore. Like I said in my earlier comment at 02:29, I misunderstood what SP is really about. Yes you are about’hope’, you’re just another one of those blockers that I despise. Bye.