Hello All,
As you have arrived at this web site it can be assumed that you’re no stranger to suffering. Neither am I. My mother committed suicide in 1976 and as I approach the age of 51, I still l feel the consequences of her act to this very day.
This is suffering. But, I would like to expand upon the idea. My paternal grandfather died in the most deadly nightclub fire of all time in the United States: The Cocoanut Grove fire in 1942. There were 492 fatalities in this fire in Boston. The fire was fueled by highly flammable draperies and artificial palm trees. Some victims were killed so quickly by the fumes of the burning plastic and other materials that they were found still sitting on their bar stools with their drinks in their hands.
My grandfather was not one of these people, though. He died two days after he got to the hospital from burns and broken bones due to the stampede to to door. He was 32 years old at the time. In researching the Cocoanut Grove fire, I learned many things. The suffering of those people, who were injured and died so long ago, is largely forgotten. We don’t consider this today, because this was 1942 and it’s 2016 now. But stop for a moment and think about the 18 year old girl who lost her life after a week of suffering in agony in the hospital. Consider the horror her parents experienced when they were told that their only child – Anne – died. And now, it’s all but forgotten. My grandfather, a young and strong man, knew he would not make it and he told my grandmother. He was in tremendous pain when he died, holding my grandmother’s hand. The pain and horror that those people felt is lost to history. But, it still exists. It’s simply a chapter in the book we choose not to read.
Grief and suffering is an abstract – until you find yourself grieving or suffering. But when you consider the amount of grief on a historical scale, it makes sense to stop being self-focused and look at the world on a wider level. I felt a sense of guilt as I read about the patients of the Cocoanut Grove fire, as if I was intruding. I read that my grandfather, like many other victims, was vomiting and “maniacal,” as the record attests. All of these people who lived and loved and died and whose predicament is all but forgotten; they should be remembered as we consider our our situations. It would be helpful to give us some context as we move forward with our lives. And maybe as we consider our individual experience as compared to that which came before us, our situations will not seem so bad afterall.
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If there is no afterlife, and when we die it’s like a computer being shut off – total nothingness, then life is a waste of time. If humans were accidentally or intentionally created by something beyond the earth, if we were purposely endowed with minds that expanded over time to grasp ahold of sentient consciousness… then our ‘creator’ would be rather sadistic, to allow us to be aware for a brief period of time, suffer, then die. Sure, we have good times too, but in the end, it’s probably all meaningless.
It doesn’t matter how much any person today suffers, or how much people suffered in the past, because we all meet the same inevitable fate.
That said, I certainly hope that those who possess the means to help others while they are alive and conscious (like aid workers, governments, etc), will reach out and stop injustice.
You are suggesting that we compare our suffering to others, though. That wouldn’t be logical. Everyone deals with their own issues. Thinking of how many people have it worse doesn’t change anything.
Collective grief is meaningful. There is something to be gained from the experiences of those who came before us, both good and bad. We have a very limited amount of time here on this planet. Why not gain something from those who went before us?
This is part and parcel the sum total of the human experience. I don’t think it’s meaningless. If it is, then all of our life experiences are meaningless.
One day the Universe might collapse on itself. Unless there’s another universe out there with inhabitants who have been collecting information from us, all of humanity’s history will be meaningless then.
On a smaller scale, sure, while we’re alive we can learn from history.
Everything means something to everyone else. Ali died recently, and although he’s great in history, I didn’t cry and went on my day. I didnt know the guy. Although, the story is a tragedy, it only affects you because you lost a loved one. If you hadn’t I doubt this tragedy would have revelance. Point being, making someone feel bad because others lost their lives unintentionally doesn’t do anything to help. The killings in Orlando were right near my house but I don’t know these people so honestly why would I care. I might sound heartless but I’m just saying how a lot of people feel but display fake emotions for attention. Why do people say how much they love and/or miss a deceased person and wish they could have see them one more time but didn’t say any of that when they were alive? Because we’re all greedy people who only react when we are shocked and put on for TV, family, our own egos. We all secretly want attention even at the expense of another.
*relevance
very interesting story, i have heard of that disaster, very sad, people dying like that is terrible life isn’t fair, FOR REAL, Sorry about your mother that’s a terrible thing to have happen, you seem like a nice man, but life is meaningless and death is final, one thing about this story is your mother is no longer suffering, neither is your grandfather, although he died a horrible death he does not feel pain any longer, the pain you experience while living is real but the pain does not exists once you no longer exists, pain is for the living.
One day the universe may collapse. Or not. Probably won’t happen during your lifespan. What’s your point? How does this question factor into your worldview?
We are only allowed a limited number of years here on this planet. And certainly we can learn a lot from history.
I don’t have a point, and what the universe does is irrelevant to me, as a human being, we are not in control of anything, we only exist as predators on this planet, we are not a part of the big picture with any significance, that said i’m not a bad guy i’m a realist, while being alive i hope the best for all us lost souls, as a person i feel the life is both a tragedy and a miracle, it is up to us to try to enjoy it and the purpose why we are here is up to us, and are purpose ends when we die. a lot to say on the subject.
Interesting post. I hadn’t heard about that 1942 fire. What a tragedy!
It’s always a tragedy when loved ones are torn apart.
As far as your last sentence, my own perspective is a little different.
I’m reminded of a very wise comment someone left a few weeks ago: “Telling someone they shouldn’t feel depressed because others have it worse is like telling someone they shouldn’t feel happy because others have it better,”
My post was just an effort towards mitigating the reasons why the other people are here. That’s all.
i like your post, and it’s wonderful that everyone’s thoughts and ideas are heard, there’s nothing wrong with any of the conversations, you have a valid point, everyone feels differently about everything, 10 years ago i felt differently than i do today, the world keeps turning and people keep learning but not for those that die.
I even found a Wikipedia page about it…
It has a picture of the building after the fire, plus a picture of it on fire, and a picture of victims being tended to in the streets.
Wow.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoanut_Grove_fire
Says it was the second-deadliest single-building fire in American history; only the 1903 Iroquois Theatre fire in Chicago had a higher death toll, of 605.
OP is talking about night club fire not building in general fire.
Oh , I know.
I wasn’t correcting anyone, I was just quoting the article.
It’s an interesting story. I had never heard of it before and the page was really interesting, albeit sad.
Cordless, it’s true that the Cocoanut Grove fire in Boston is an interesting story. There are some survivor accounts that are fascinating to read. Many of the doors were locked to prevent people from skipping out without paying their tabs, which added to the death toll. My father’s father lost his life as a result of this fire and it’s worth remembering. Anyone who has been burned can tell you that this is horrible way to to die. The burn injuries never really completely heal and the victims are left with lasting pain for many years after the initial injury. On the positive side, the fire resulted in many improvements to building codes that have saved many lives since then. Problem is, the old businesses were grandfathered in and can still operate just like the ‘Grove did in 1942. Just last weekend my cousin had a birthday party in this obvious firetrap in South Boston. There was only one entrance in and it was located in a basement level floor. Immediately I could feel all the blood rush out of my face and my father was just as ashen. In the cousin’s defense it was his wife who picked the place – lol.