Imagine a world where everyone who wanted to die could, and had a magic potion/bottle that only they can drink (so you can’t murder ppl who don’t want to die). Suppose if everyone who wanted to die did, or could, what would this world look like? I would very much like to see this world, and actually wouldn’t want to die if that were the case. Like I’d wait for Round1 and 2 to happen first, to see how many miserable ppl are gone and see if life improves.
The reality of it is, many ppl are unhappy with their lives, whether it’s struggling to pay the bills or in unhappy marriages, or unhappy jobs, whatever it is they’re miserable. Not all miserable ppl are evil and shitty, but SOME are. I’m only talking about THOSE people. Those who are miserable and WANT to suicide but can’t bc they get get their potion.
Some people who are unhappy or miserable tend to lash out at others, bringing misery to innocent ppl who have nothing to do with anything. If all those miserable ppl chose to take that potion and disappear from the world, would the world not be a better place?
Like for example, this guy brought his son to mow the lawn of this elderly couple for free- bc they were old and their lawn hadn’t been mowed in ages. So guy is out just mowing the lawn with his son, and out comes this Karen who lives across the street who comes and immediately starts screams at him and tells him to “get off the lawn or she’ll call the authorities.” Even after he tells her he’s just mowing the elderly couple’s lawn. And you can clearly see the father and son are just mowing the lawn. There’s mowing equipment and it’s middle of the day in bright sunlight, so it’s not like they were doing anything criminal, but they were threatened and just being harassed by this lady.
Like a LOT of my unhappiness resides in minding my own business, but some shitty unhappy ppl out there make it a goal to make your life miserable or harass you in some way.
That’s just one example. I’ve seen countless examples in my own life as well in lots of other videos posted online. I’m talking ONLY about THOSE ppl who are miserable and want to suicide- not talking about making anyone who doesn’t wish to do it or anything like that.
Like all those ppl who make nasty comments online, bc they’re not happy so they shit on everyone else. Or ppl who aren’t happy with themselves or their life, put others down. If they voluntarily left, Then we’d be left with less mean ppl. Wouldn’t society be better off?
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IDK, I have impulsivity issues, having an instant pill/potion would be intensely tempting, but I would struggle with confidence that I was going to make the right decision.
It’s why I don’t own a gun, or any other lethal means. Right now I’m level, but later I may not be, and I only want to make that choice while level. I don’t even know if me making that decision is within what I would widely consider “moral.” Plus, then other people would know about it, and say terrible things like “just take your suicide potion and go away”…….
that’s me, find a solution and I will pick at it and find fault. I guess I feel antagonistic towards it because the people that I care about are the ones who probably would use it, so my relatively narrow social sphere would be gone entirely. Then there are knock on effects, people who wouldn’t be suicidal under normal circumstances, but that amount of loss would push them to it.
Then who does that leave? The people indifferent enough to the suffering of others not to care if people die? I’m generally cynical of the direction of humanity, but that sounds worse.
well everyone’s different. from what i’ve read, most ppl who have taken the advice of the peaceful pill group and who’ve gotten the potion, the majority do not take it right away. most get the poison and suddenly feel more at peace KNOWING they can suicide any time. and bc they know they can whenever they want or whenever they’re ready, they wait and take their time (except the ppl who are terminal or very badly off, they don’t wait too long before taking it). that’s based on what i’ve read on forums with people who have trekked all the way to you know where to get it.
I would fall in that category of ppl who would definitely feel more at ease KNOWING I have it and can take it whenever I want. There’s a certain kind of peace and comfort knowing you aren’t stuck and can safely and peacefully exit this world.
Probably best if put in some kind of bank safe or somewhere where you have to spend even a little effort to go get it (ie not on your kitchen shelf lol). I’m not saying everyone should go get it. I’m just saying the option to get it should exist should they want it.
“Then who does that leave? The people indifferent enough to the suffering of others not to care if people die?”
–>You’re assuming everyone has people who love and care for them. What if that person doesn’t have anyone, like me? No one’s gonna give a shit if I die anyway, and if I choose to take the poison, I won’t have to suffer anymore. Why should I have to suffer just bc society SAYS “suicide is wrong” or “suicide is selfish”? It’s not like “society” has done anything to help me, so ppl like me don’t owe anything to anyone, least of all “society” who has done nothing but bully me and treat me like shit.
“Then who does that leave? The people indifferent enough to the suffering of others not to care if people die?”
–>Also, what makes you think this isn’t already the case? Lots of ppl are indifferent to the pain and suffering of others. People just don’t care. If they did, they would be out there helping others. If people gave a shit, they wouldn’t see someone fall down and just sit there and watch and not help the person get up. My former friend has cerebral palsy, and she tells me every time she falls down, NO ONE helps her. And the times I’ve fell down, NO ONE helps me either. Like just basic human decency. It doesn’t cost much to just help someone up, like what, you lose 30s of your time?
And it’s not just with falling down, maybe that’s not the best example. Like say you know a kid is being abused, and you don’t do a thing to help. Heck, you WILLFULLY IGNORE it and even actively tell everyone to mind their own business. Like there as literally a discussion bc a few ppl wanted to do something and the overwhelming majority said- “it’s not our problem, it’s clogging up chat, and you better leave it alone too!” Oh I know it happens bc it we had had it happen in our gaming group. So much for “humanity.” Like the kid was literally asking for help- he showed pictures of how he was being choked by the mother’s bf. You can see the bruises all over the neck. And if you wanted to help, the overwhelming majority got annoyed the convo is “clogging up the chat.” This is what people are like these days. People already don’t care about the suffering of others.
eternaldarkness, according to your statement, and the fact I’m miserable, should I die by your portion?
no, i’m saying the ones who want a way out should have the option to.
then my 2nd thing i was trying to say was the SOME of the people who are miserable tend to lash out on others. i’m not saying anyone here on SP. i’ve seen a lot of videos lately and was referencing them. like for example, i had seen a video with this karen who yelled the crap out of this do-gooder nice guy who brought his son to help an elderly couple mow their lawn bc they’re old and the lawn hadnt been moved in ages.
anyhow, that lady went all karen on him and yelled at the guy for mowing the lawn and told him to leave and get off the lawn and threatened to call the authorities bc he’s trespassing. the guy was simply being a good samaritan.
point is, that lady was obviously miserable given the things she said, so she lashed out on innocent ppl like that guy- just saying if ppl like that opted to take the potion, then we would eliminate a certain portion of nastiness from society- ppl who go around attacking others for no reason- then society might be a better world to live in.
i’m sure you know what i mean about being attacked for no reason by certain kinds of people. they seem to be miserable, and take it out on others via ego/power trips. i’m just thinking if THOSE ppl WANTED a way out and were allowed easy access to a potion, won’t society might be better off?
Again- it’s ONLY for those who already WANT to suicide and want a way out but can’t bc they can’t get their hands on an effective poison. I’m not talking like murder and forcing or telling anyone to take it.
If anyone who is depressed and doesn’t want to die, then they shouldn’t.
Ahhhh, the Karen. You mentioned about miserable people. My neighbor is the Krazy Karen. Seriously. Most likely a sociopath and pathological liar. Because her family is prominent in the small town, she gets away with anything, the police back her stories all the time. Very rarely do I think ill of others, especially women, but she is truly an evil nutjob. Now that I think about it, why the eff would I kill myself over her multiple harassments against me? Nutjob would’ve taken pleasure on it. I only pray for karma.
no you’re not getting the point of my post. I mean what if people like that KAREN wanted to suicide and was given access to the potion? that’s what i mean, if ppl like that were to voluntarily off themselves, then society would be a better place.
usually ppl who are unhappy with their lives tend to be karens or ppl who lash out on innocent ppl who’ve done nothing to them, or ppl who power trip bc in their own lives they have very little power, so they pick on others. these are the ones especially that should be given access to suicide should they want to exit.
Yep, I’m with you on that ED….it would leave a ‘massive hole’ in society at first, if millions of people who had instant access to end their lives.
Others close to them might themselves feel life is worthless without them there and do the same.
Ofc those people who have good lives will be saddened but will keep on living and enjoying their lives.
So on the whole I think it’d be very healthy for populations if people who don’t want to live were allowed to self-terminate.
Like you said there are some people who hate their own lives, can’t escape so they just lash out at others and make them miserable too….so that’s not helpful to those affected by them.
As Hviking also said, it’d gave many peace of mind, to know they can choose to hit the ‘exit button’ anytime they like. I’d put myself in this category as I’d probably like to keep living a while longer to see if things get better…if they don’t in about 5-10 years then I’d take that option. But I also like the idea of ending it tomorrow if I chose to.
Unfortunately we can’t do much about rotten people who make other people miserable and those types usually aren’t suicidal, they’re very happy meddling in other people’s lives and throwing their weight around.
But yes, all nations should make suicide ‘normal’ and as accessible as buying a pack of gum. Ofc we’re very far from such an ‘ideal’ place, but ideas do change the world eventually, esp. the good ones.
It would be difficult to make a potion that can’t be used by anyone else, but we have good technologies now that it could make it possible eventually.
I would say I’m a Karen. It’s my personal opinion that those who are depressive sometimes have comorbid personality ‘deficits’. Karens to me are probably higher on personality deficits than the average population, at least momentarily. I wouldn’t other them. I think it occurs on a moment to moment basis, these traits. In some people it is an aspect of their identity and more pronounced.
This post has inched me closer to self awareness that some people wouldn’t mind if I were gone. It’s more of a logical thing, and I understand it. But it’s somewhat shitty to hear silence when you talk about ending your life, because the other person has serious doubts as to whether you should be alive. This isn’t some Eden, and my death will be acceptable. I don’t believe in help, by the way.
I find this aspect of existence to be disturbing, is all.