How can I say this so you know, ummm there is an afterlife. Nothing is dead not even you, when you decide to end it. You will be in a different dimension, feeling exactly the same way as you did before. The difference is, you wont be laughing anymore, you will be stuck wishing it was a dream. But it isnt a dream is it. You can’t take it back. So you will be stuck. I know this for sure, because I am a medium. If you know anything about mediums you would know they can communicate with the ones that have passed over. I am a real one, not a fake one and if you dont think someone is capable of talking to spirtis, well think again!
Im not telling you this because I don’t want you to commit suicide. You can do whatever you want, its your life afterall. But I think it is my job to let you know what happens afterwards and you if you think for a second that you wont hear feel or see, you are so wrong.
Ruth
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It’s cool that you’re a medium. I’m an Extra-Large.
What sort of scientific data do you have to back up your claims? Faith, intuition, and feelings don’t count. Just because someone “believes” something doesn’t make it objectively true. I can BELIEVE Santa is for real-that doesn’t mean he’s up in the North Pole making presents with his elves.
mate, clearly you do not know what a medium is, no worries, I will explain. I see them and I talk to them. It is not a feeling or a belief. It is real as me sitting here on my computer typing on my keyboard.
We as humans are easily fooled. Dreams seem real. Experiences under the influence of drugs seem real. The mind plays tricks on us. How can anybody be positive of what is real versus what is an elaborate illusion?
Mate, what are you talking about? No one is talking about dreams or drugs for that matter. Dont you know anyone who has seen a ghost? i think maybe you are a bit too young and inexperienced to give an honest and logical opinion on the matter in which case you should not share your thoughts, what do you think?
Its not your fault mate, its ok.
@ Ruthy; No worries. I simply think that people who believe in ghosts, an afterlife, etc., are delusional. It’s the same mind-set as someone frying on drugs.
I’ve researched this field extensively. People who choose to believe in this stuff cling stubbornly to their beliefs. They usually trade logic for feelings, or science for “faith”. It’s OK. I don’t try to talk people out of their illogical, faith based ideologies anymore. Believe whatever you want. You’re 100% right, everyone who disagrees with you must be wrong. 🙂
In first grade, when my mom briefly had custody of me, she was going through this thing where she believed that the world was created by aliens as an experiment, that she had been abducted and “psychic alien implants” had been stuck inside her, and that I was next. So, I’m like seven, and scared out of my mind–but I have VERY VIVID memories of aliens from this time in my life. Flying saucers and the whole shebang. But here’s the thing: I also have a very clear, vivid memory of an alien that looks an awful lot like the alien from “ALIEN” sneaking around a doorway to GET me!
So, I have a bunch of obviously false memories that seem real as hell, from a period of my life when I was highly suggestible, imaginative, and took everything as truth that I was told. The mind is very powerful, and people will weave all kinds of realities for themselves and for each other. So whatever people think they have seen and experienced… I believe you, I’m just not so sure that your reality applies to me. Just like my brother didn’t see any aliens and he knew it was all crazy bullshit the whole time. And he is way mentally healthier than me as an adult.
Afterlife doesnt bother me or sway me one bit, if there is or if there isn’t. My pain is so great and constant with no relief that death is considered, but my kids seeing me go from adventuress, action packed , fun filled individual to lazy good for nothing misrable SOB, and there love turning to complacency,. i honestly feel they would be better with out me, eventually moving on, the mother of my children finding someone else who isn’t ruined and my family having fun and learning to enjoy life and being able to experience it again would be reward enough for me.. i hold them back, my suffering turning into there’s and its not fair to them for me to live much longer,.. im waiting for a little more clarity from my doctor,. and if the prognosis is life is what it is and will always be than i swear to you and me , that i will have a date with a tree or bridge at 50mph (the speed limit) dont want to speed or the insurance may not pay and they will need that money to get a new car and hopefully have some left over to sstart over and be happy. thats all i want is for them to be happy., just happy,., they haven;t been for awhile ., ihavent been either., whatever.
A website dealing with suicide…
Does that sound like the appropriate place for you to spout your religious condemnation?
If it does, might I ask, on who’s authority do you come in here and foist your belief on those who are seeking companionship and a respite from the real world (and, I might add, from the judgmental and altogether wicked condemnation and self-righteous consternation of people such as yourself.)
If you wish to believe the bible, that is fine, that’s your right–by all means.
But “Keep thy religion to thyself,” to quote George Carlin’s 11th Commandment…
And leave us all, in peace, and take your holier-than-thou attitude with you, if you please, from a place that has no need from it and from people who are seeking out and who would benefit from love, compassin, and mutual caring and understanding, NOT a Sermon from the Mount, Ruthy.
Its funny I intended to comment against Ruthy’s post now I’m going to sort of defend it. I mean I don’t believe in any form of spirits at all. However I doubt ruthy came to this site to push her beliefs on people per se. She probably found this site for the same reasons we did(depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation etc)and like us posted about her beliefs. I post a lot of shit about how I believe there to be no god and that this world is all we have. I rarely get challenged like this. Its like Voltaire said I don’t agree with what you say but I defend to the death your right to say it.
I’m not saying Ruthy doesn’t have the right to her opinion…
But Voltaire wasn’t for forcing religion on others, either.
I don’t have a problem with Ruthy having beliefs…
But forcing them on others and saying “there’s no choice” is the OPPOSITE of what Voltaire intended…
That’s true. I guess I just find this thread (and its parent thread) to be remarkably contentious considering people are just as pushy with other beliefs without as much backlash. The Voltaire quote was more how I saw things. Like even though I think ruthy is incorrect and a bit pushy I don’t think its fair to call her delusional nor do I think she truly means to offend. I just remember posting pushy things about being an (ignostic) atheist with no one dismissing my beliefs.
A few points to consider, if I may.
Nowhere in Ruthy’s post does she mention the Bible. I seem to remember that mixing with Spiritualists is frowned upon in there anyway (but I could be wrong).
On the one hand, telling people that want to end the pain that – Sorry folks, there’s just more of the same afterwards, isn’t that great? – isn’t perhaps the most sensitive thing to be doing BUT she is entitled to her opinion just as the rest of us are (as kno1 says).
The thing that I have issue with is her dismissal of skip226’s arguments, claiming that he must be ‘…a bit too young and inexperienced to give an honest and logical opinion on the matter in which case you should not share your thoughts…’ Personally I find that offensive. If you expect people to listen to what you have to say on a subject then you must be prepared to listen to what OTHERS have to say, ESPECIALLY if they disagree with you.
Oh and Sherlock Hamlet? I find it a little hypocritical that you come here, when you’re not suicidal, telling us to read Hamlet and we’ll feel better (ok, that’s not what you’ve said, I know, but you get the idea) and then take a pot shot at Ruthy for doing her version of the same thing. You’re BOTH sitting there telling us we can feel better if only…
And no, I didn’t come here looking for love, understanding or compassion. I hate myself. I fully expect everyone else to hate me too.
PS. Feel free to disagree with me on any of those points and I’m sorry if I’ve offended anyone. It’s not intentional.
Stop trying to push your beliefs over other peoples, Ruthy.
That sucks.
I believe in afterlife, after we kill ourselfs, we can be reborn again in another life.
But I’m not pushing my opinion over other people, like you do.
@I’m Fine:
I did NOT come here and tell everyone that if you read Hamlet you’ll feel better.
I quoted it a few times in the course of conversation because I quote English texts, being an English major, and “Hamlet” is my favorite story.
I did NOT say “Ummmm…you MUST read Hamlet, there is no choice.”
I have friends who HATE Hamlet:
And we’re friends nonetheless, and they’re none the worse for it.
I don’t claim anyone here can feel better if only they read a book.
NO BOOK HAS THE ANSWERS TO ALL OF LIFE OR DEATH’S QUESTIONS.
I don’t hate you, though, I’m Fine. At all. 🙂
Please, speak your mind, I LOVE debate!
I just ask that, in the course of debate, the words “there is no choice” do not come up is all…we ALL have a choice–and it would seem, on a site like this, rather important ones to make, too…
@Baal Zebub:
Needless to say, as an agnostic with strong atheistic leanings (which is odd given my Jewish background, but I still love the culture and heritage of my people, so there we are)…I don’t agree with reincarnation.
But I respect and will defend your right to believe it.
I would ask, though, totally besides the point, but I’m curious:
Do you believe that in a Buddhist sense, or something else? (I’m not judging or criticizing, I’m just curious what people think, as I want to be a writer, that’s why I talk to everyone…) 🙂
@Hamlet:
I respect your point of view.
In fact, it wouldn’t be so bad if things just end after death. At least my suffering would stop.
I’m not a buddhist believer.
I sorta believe in spiritism (The Allan Kardec’s one)
You should read about it, if you already didn’t. The problem is: In this “religion” they say that suicides suffer so much after death… And I don’t want to suffer more. :~
Ruthy proof it.? (medium) ask the sprit”s what’s my age.? (didn’t think so.)
@Sherlock Hamlet. Good for you (and I mean that in a nice way). I’m tempted to say that what you’re saying is that there is no choice but to never say that there is no choice – but that’s just my perverse nature speaking.
The trouble with me speaking my mind is that I tend to upset people. It’s much better if I shut up. On a happier note – your post made me smile. That’s pretty difficult these days.
@Baal Zebub. Why is it that most religions/faiths seem to have particularly bad punishments for suicides? I can’t think of any (off the top of my head) where there isn’t a negative consequence. Maybe Paganism? I’m not sure. Any thoughts??
Well I don’t know about other religions, but in spiritism is like… We need to live our lifes and passa through all the suffering, to learn and grow stronger. If you kill yourself, you will not grow and “evolve” (kinda sounds like Pokémon, eh?) and will be punished by your own mind, after killing yourself.
Sounds stupid, but makes sense if you read well their beliefs.
And I don’t remember any religion which does not have a punishment for suicidal people. Kinda sucks.
Proof.?
Dear Ruthie. Good luck with your mental illness. Regards.
“Sounds stupid, but makes sense if you read well their beliefs.”
I think I recall one of my more famous Jewish ancestors saying that…right before the Romans caught up with him. 😉
(Nah, I’m just poking good fun here, I kid…to each their own, so long as it’s in the private and not the public sphere, whatever you can draw strength and wisdom from is a positive force in your life…)
Sorry Ruthy on behalf of the others. As you can obviously tell we’re not in our best forms on here, so don’t take offense. Well i both agree and belive you as Religion is still a strong aspect in my life. So thank you for post, its been a while since there has been a hint of this topic on the site, as most people here are agnostic or athiest.
And for the rest of you lay off. If you don’t agree or have nothing nice to say don’t comment- no ones forcing you to read this so move on.
@Baal Zebub. Yes, yes it does. I’m sorry.
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to offend anyone. I’m sorry. I’m really sorry.
@I’m fine I don’t think you’ve offended anyone at least not the me. My whole point is if I believed as ruthy believed I would post something akin to her post. If everything I believed was based upon an afterlife I would make the statements she did. I’d be dismissive of someone’s beliefs after they compared mine to santa claus. I once again agree with nothing she believes and I would even respectfully debate her but I don’t feel like she’s been treated as fairly as others expressing their belief have.
@Hamlet:
Well I didn’t say Spiritism is the truth, I said it makes sense. Who knows what lies after death?
Well, most people post here things that are CLEARLY phrased as opinion NOT fact. I am a little annoyed and feel condescended when someone shits all over my beliefs, claiming to know things that no living person knows.
I don’t believe in an afterlife. I also make clear that is my opinion. If Ruthy wants to claim otherwise, it is irresponsible to state it as fact and not opinion.
I don’t believe Ruthy as well. Anyone can say whatever they want.
I’m not gonna live a life that i don’t want to.
For some people living this life is worse than hell. Why people should continue living a life full of emotional pain and misery for the next 60 years if they don’t want to?
I know there are people who enjoy living for some reason which i have no idea why, so let them live but let the people who want to die, die.
And let’s say that there is an afterlife, i highly doubt that you can feel any worse than here. And your supposed to have free will right?
Why suiciders should be punished for something they didn’t even choose? Nobody gave us a choice if we want to have life. And trust me OTHER PEOPLE make us feel this way. And now we have to deal with all this shit.
Awesome…………..
All this afterlife stuff makes me more depressed because i won’t be able to find PEACE.
Ladies and gentlemen. What the fuck?
The reason most religions have a severe punishment for those who commit suicide is because it wants to prevent it. It’s as simple as that. Now, i don’t care why Ruth was here or what her reason for causing a stir is, but she clearly hasn’t stayed to defend her opinion. In any case, the rules for this site says it’s no place to “preach the gospel”, and if that’s so for that religion, it ought to hold true for them all.
I think Ruthy is a troll
@ koolkitt3n:
When Ruthy tells everyone on the site that she has it all worked out and they don’t, I find that incredibly condescending. Especially when it’s something she obviously couldn’t know anything about.
Therefore, I think we’re all in our right to call her on it.
I’m fine with people being religious, but I don’t appreciate it when they think it makes them superior.
Ruthy – maybe you should get one of your spirits to teach you how to spell and punctuate… Might be a better use of your time than coming on here trying to scare people…
@ kno1; I went to sleep last night after my last comment.
Delusional means “a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact”. I wasn’t trying to goad Ruthy, just stating my opinion. BTW, the site where I got that definition from had advertisements for Schizoprenia medication. Apparently Schizophrenics believe that they’re unique, and highly evolved. They also hear voices that nobody else hears. (Kind of sounds like someone who communicates with the spirit world).
I stand behind the Santa Claus analogy as well. Santa has a beer gut and a bushy white beard. He lives at the North Pole making presents with his elves. He knows which kids have been naughty, which have been nice. Every Dec. 24th he flies around the world powered by magic reindeer, and breaks into peoples houses through their chimney, dropping off presents.
Would anybody with even a below average IQ actually believe that a living, breathing Santa Claus exists? How does he fly around the entire globe in one night? Does he boycott residences that don’t have a chimney? Does he visit Muslim, Asian, and African countries? He keeps track of EVERYBODY? Really?
That was my point with god, religion, the afterlife, etc. Asking somebody to believe in the validity of Ruthy’s claims is like asking somebody to accept that Santa Claus is 4 REAL. I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful. But asking me to believe in”Dead People who Talk to Me” is about the same as asking me to believe in any other random folkore/legend/myth that you can think up.
No offense meant, if I’m wrong I’ll personally fly over to Ruthy’s after I’m dead and apologize. I’ll catch a ride with Santa.
I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I personally believe that you can’t possibly know what happens after we die. I’m going to have to wait and find out, and so does everyone else.
And honestly I didn’t come to this site to read about religious arguments or what people think (or I suppose, “know” in some cases) will happen after we die. But, you can post whatever you want so I guess I can’t really argue.
I don’t think anyone is denying that people are free to post their beliefs and ideas here, what I think happened is that the poster stated their beliefs and ideas as FACTS. That will surely rub many people, including myself, the wrong way. (As evidenced by the backlash 😀 )
Notice even in your post you said “I personally believe” rather than “I know this for sure” as was stated in the OP.
The Bible, if I may point out, never states what happens to those who commit suicide. If you consider yourself a “Christian,” then you believe Jesus’s death removed humanity’s sins, and God is “all forgiving.” Therefore, most Christians believe that no sin is entirely unforgivable. Generally, their faith dictates that if you die “with Christ in your heart” you will be welcomed into “the Kingdom.” Read most suicide survival stories (near death experience stories relating to passing into the afterlife, not just failed attempts), and you will hear generally positive “afterlife” experiences. Of course, most of these individuals return with a renewed sense of purpose and desire to live. I realize this conversation is largely based on personal opinion relating to the existence of an afterlife, but I’ve seen several comments largely pegging the OP as a “believer.” So, I figured I’d clear up the general view Christianity has of suicide. Christian philosophy recognizes that certain acts are not sins. Murder for example, would be considered a grave sin. However, if a human kills in self defense is that also a sin? Technically a life was taken, but does self-preservation justify the act? Food for thought.
Hello everyone. It has been a little while since I have been on and all I can say is, “my goodness” regarding the response. I have only skimmed through most of your responses.
Firstly PLEASE do not assume anything about me, you do not know my experiences and I find it rude that you think you do.
Secondly thanks for those who came to my rescue a couple of times.
Last but not least, do you get what I do, i will only say this once and I will say it quite strongly, i apologise, but this is the only way i can get through to you, I AM A FRICKEN MEDIUM, I SPEAK TO SPIRITS, YOU KNOW DEAD PEOPLE??? You know there are such people in this world of ours. I of all people should know what the heck I am talking about, BECAUSE I SPEAK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMITTED SUICIDE!!!
do you get it now, anyone????
I do not come from a religious angle but from a spiritual one.
As I said you can do whatever you want – but you should know everything before you do it. Isnt that fair enough, that before you do it, you should cover all angles. So when you do actually commit suicide, then you can’t say, OOOHHHH I DIDNT KNOW!!!
Love and Light
Ruthy x
@Ruthy: well said…I’ve personally found your OP post to be mind-opening.
different person, different stroke…, I guess..
@Ruthy: I’m interested to talk further with you. if you have email, please email me at: nikiwonoto (at) gmail (dot) com.
I’ll be waiting sincerely. thx.
Everyone should step back from attackin ruthy here. While raming beliefes down someones throat isnt exactly nice neither is ramming ur belief that their beliefs are bullshit. and i must say that i find @skip226 raises a valid point about skitzophrenics
@hamlet i read hamlet their a while ago and must argee that it is an epic piece of work
Everyone should step back from attackin ruthy here. While raming beliefes down someones throat isnt exactly nice neither is ramming ur belief that their beliefs are bullshit. and i must say that i find @skip226 raises a valid point about skitzophrenics
@hamlet i read hamlet their a while ago and must argee that it is an epic piece of work
@ruthy interesting how long this has gone on for, and there are clearly people who are sceptical. So perhaps you can give us something to convince us of your abilities, so your arguement will carry more weight. Give me a message from my dead grandmother. Something only I would know.