Why the masses oppose suicide

I have to disagree, even though your post is good. I would argue that restricting or opposing anyone’s suicide for any reason is both illogical and hypocritical in a supposed “society” such as ours.

We say that we believe in freedom, we say that we believe the “sanctity of life”, we say a lot of things that we do not mean in any may whatsoever.

The “sanctity” of life is based upon the “assumption” that an entity desires to live (or will) and that they have a right to and should be able to exercise that right. However, simply looking at the underlying “assumption” is all that is needed to justify anyone ending their lives as well. It is just as much as a fundamental right to die as it is to live. The real fundamental is that our lives or existence is ours and no one else’s. What we do with what is ours, in this case our being, is and should be ultimately be left to us. And no one has a right to make that decision for another. For anyone to suggest otherwise simply demonstrates that they are a megalomaniac at best.

The idea that “society” does anything at all to restrict, ban, curtail, even discourage in any way people from ending their life is ridiculous and destructive. What is to be gained or achieved by keeping prisoners? What is the result of having so many people alive that do not wish to be alive? That could fill an entire book in itself! Even non-governmental intrusion and invalidation of basic rights of beings aside, simply the stigma and disgusting nature of human “society” that discourages people from exiting this hideous plane of existence, is illogical and destructive to the society itself.

Far from the fallacy that the “sanctity” of life helps society is the reality that the imposed, at least indirectly, mandate to keep dissidents in a prison of life that they do not want is very destructive to the people who do desire to live. While it would be impossible to actually quantify the immense cost of “forcing” people to live as prisoners in an existence in which they do not want, it should be apparent to anyone with any sense whatsoever, that the cost is very, very high to all of those that do want to live in this cesspool world.

What percentage of drug usage is actually committed by those using the poisons simply to escape what they have no other way to escape? What damage do the poisons and all the related peripheral negatives associated with it produce in this “society”? Consider all of the crime, violence, and damage done by those both poisoning themselves regularly and those who maintain and profit from its proliferation throughout our “society”? Are not a significant portion of all self-poisoning individual basically committing “slow suicide”? Whether they will or can acknowledge it, or whether they are even aware of beyond the subconscious, they basically want to be dead and have no other options that are so simple.

What percentage of violent crime, or any crimes for that matter, is attributable to persons that are basically people who do not, cannot, will not, function in a world where they really don’t want to be anyway? How many “criminals” both violent or simply anti-social in other ways, are basically just those “trapped” in a life that they really don’t want? I would bet anything that the vast majority of violent and anti-social would give anything for a simple death to exit this world.

More generally, what level of inefficiency and waste permeates every level and detail of society because a significant portion of the population simply does not want to exist at all? Think of all of the “depressed”, “insane”, or place any “developmental disorder” or an “maladjusted” types in as well, that infect every nook and cranny of our population. What effect does that have on the overall society?

How much more peaceful, happy, efficient would society be if there were only those who truly desired to exist living in it? How many millions of people throughout the world would get in line and do anything at all to simply have a peaceful, dignified, and simple exit from this existence? If you think that there are not many people who truly want to die, you really have your head in the sand.

I am not talking about people who would line up to be burnt to death, I am talking about people who would be willing and desiring if given a simple and peaceful exit. (like simply going to the “dentist”, 3 seconds unconscious, and then gone for good, as easy as going to sleep) Millions upon millions, guaranteed. What effect does this vast army of prisoners have on those who want to live? Look at our world. I suggest that the majority of all “problems” throughout the world are the result of the negative and self-destructive nature of those who simply do not want to exist, but do not have any simple way to die.

The above is how I would explain the laughably irrational (as well as unjust in every way) and destructive nature of keeping people alive who do not wish to be alive. Forcing life on others will always hurt the lives of everyone who does want to live.

Next, you will hear all of the self-serving or incorrect theories about why society should discourage allowing people to exit this existence. I obviously cannot go over this topic here, that could be a life-long journey winding through philosophy, politics, and human psychology. But the simple and obvious delusions are sufficient.

Governments, and business for that matter, have an interest in keeping people prisoners in this existence. (because they do not fully appreciate the reality of much of what was mentioned above about inefficiency and “criminality”) Humans are simply “resources” or “assets” to government and business. They are the slaves which produce so that they do not. They are the cows in the field. Nothing more and nothing less. Government and business have no interest in allowing or encouraging slaves to be free. Period. Simple. Done.

“Society”, on the other hand, has the above interests in addition to an incorrect assumption that they hold sacred. They believe that “forcing” life upon others somehow make life more valuable. The believe that discouraging and stigmatizing those who would choose to die, increases the “respect” for life. They believe that if you allow people to exit on their own terms that “society” will then have no respect for or value for life. They inadvertently, and incorrectly, link a freedom of choice to die with taking a life against one’s will. This is not correct in any way. Murder is murder, it is ending one’s life against their will, and it has no relationship whatsoever against an individual choosing of their own free will to end their own life. People who want to live will choose to live no matter what someone else does. I could say that such ideas are rooted, and originated, not in the society as a whole, but rather those who manipulate or have the most influence in society. I believe that the more sinister motives are the origin (those now held by government and business), rather than any “normal” general belief system arising naturally. Basically, it is an indoctrinated set of beliefs, rather than simply a prevalent deduction made internally.

Again, when you start to tread into the philosophical, political, and psychological you are beginning a journey that might never end. The above two small points are representative of the larger problem in those contexts and are sufficient to provide a good general view of what you will find in those travels if you dare. LOL

Here is where I can (finally :D) start to wrap this up. The REAL reason that I believe that all of the above delusions and illogical “interests” have any hold within our “society”. It is the real reason that I believe that most forces align behind the keeping of prisoners in this world regardless of their outward and clearly irrational precepts. (Please keep the rotten vegetable throwing to a minimum 😀 )

Humans are essentially sado-masochists! Before you light the torches people, just let the idea swirl around in the synaptic soup for a while.

What is the very first thing that virtually every person that wants to live thinks about a person who does not? “Other people have lives that are so much worse!” “They should be happy(!) that they are only suffering as much as they are.” HAHA What does this type of “rationalization” suggest? You can answer that for yourself if you wish, it isn’t hard.

Humans are sadists! Why? Well it stems from the fact that every being is isolated from every other being in a real and significant literal way. No person can ever be or understand another person. It is impossible. We are, for every intent and purpose of this discussion, completely separate universes unto ourselves. What occurs within our minds, only occurs in our minds and never did, or ever will occur in any other beings mind. They are unique and original INTERPRETATIONS of “reality”. No two “interpretations” that our electrical/chemical systems produce can ever be the same. Impossible. What does this mean?

Well, since everyone is a unique set of interpretations of their unique universes that exists only in their brains, we are all, in effect, completely and totally separated and alone. However, we (generally) are “social” creatures. This is from the insatiable desire to not be the only thing in the universe (although we will always be alone in the internal universe of our minds, it can be no other way) We KNOW, at least on the subconscious level, that we will always be alone, separate, and unaware of why we even exist in the first place. (We cannot know why we exist, because we would then know what our purpose was, if we knew what our purpose was we would only serve that purpose alone, if we served only one purpose, their would be no reason to be human, if there was no reason to be human, there would be no reason to exist. 😀 we would be insects or something) Sorry, rambling.

So this turmoil, even if below the level of awareness, leaves us feeling a constant itch that we cannot scratch, a pain that will never be gone, a quest that we can never finish, a longing which can never be fullfilled. (and if you want an excellent explanation of what modern society does to the human psyche read or reread the “Unibomber Manifesto”. While the man may have done things which are “bad” or “crazy”, I assure you that his assessment of the modern world’s impact on the human “soul” is far more correct than much of the garbage written by “scholars” of psychology)

So how do these hurting, isolated humans find a surrogate “belonging”? By seeing others suffer the way that they do! It is the shared suffering of all humans that make humans feel connected to one another. Other’s pain is validation of our own existence. It makes it so that there is nothing “wrong” with us, if others are suffering like we are suffering. Their pain, is sadly, “comforting” to us in this twisted, if not so obvious way.

Furthermore, the pain that will never go away is made more palatable, by knowing that others suffer more than we do! “Surely you are crazy! I do not want anyone to suffer!” It is not anything that most people would like to admit to others obviously. It is something that many cannot even admit to themselves. However, the reality is, that life is “bearable” to most ONLY because they suffer less than other people. It is what gives value to an existence that largely only produces pain, challenge, struggle, and isolation for the being. If we were aware that we were the being suffering more than any other, what would life be worth? Would anyone want to be the person who suffers most? So it is, to everyone alive (whether they can admit it or not), an imperative that others suffer. And even more preferable that they suffer MORE than whatever level of suffering that we believe that we do.

This suffering of others is what is used as the baseline for what we call “happiness”. “pleasure”, or whatever “positive” or “benefit” that is observed in “life”. Lotta’ quotes, sorry, but I don’t think the words are defined correctly. 😀 The less we suffer in comparison to others is what determines how good we think that our lives are. So life is in reality only as valuable, worthwhile, and bearable when we see that others are in more pain than we are. The more others suffer, the better our life seems to be to us.

This is why all humans are sadists. Note that I am not using the word with negative connotations. It simply is a fact, a necessity even, for the survival of the species for us to find meaning for our existence through the suffering of others. I am not saying people are necessarily mean, evil, or whatever, I am simply referring to the needs of the entity. You must be able to shed the bonds of a specific morality to understand the chemical swirl of atoms that we really are, and why that drink does what it does. Electrons do not have a morality or a conscience or a soul.

If you can understand how all humans are sadists in the context I have been trying to explain, you can truly appreciate the deeper reason as to why “society” in general do not want to allow the suffering to escape. They need the people who suffer most around to give THEIR lives meaning, to make THEIR lives more bearable, to make THEIR lives more “pleasurable” in comparison.

Is it any wonder that “society” frowns upon and discourages letting people go now? It shouldn’t be.

Now that we have established the sadism that is innate in all of us, the masochist nature follows naturally. We always will have those that are worse off than we perceive ourselves to be, unless we are very unlucky :D, and this is what makes virtually any level of pain, or “life”, bearable or valuable for humans. There can only be one that suffers more than everyone else. 😀 The masochism comes in where we are all just as obviously aware of many, or at least a few, that suffer much less than we do. And we accept this. We revel in it. We suffer, struggle, and endure continuously and continue to chant to ourselves “this is okay, this is okay, this is great, this is life, I like this, I like this”, because we really have no other choice unless we choose to die. So we enjoy the suffering of others, but we also enjoy our own suffering because it is less than the level of someone else’s pain. We know that we are suffering because there are those who suffer much less than we do. Take the fist sentence and concatenate it to the second and our innate masochism is evident.

So that is why I say that all humans are sado-masochists. Anyway…

Those who want to live and those who don’t are basically divided along where the individuals themselves perceive their level of suffering in comparison to everyone else. Note because we are sado-masochists, the “happiest” people tend to believe that they are somewhere near the middle of the suffering level spectrum. HUH? This needs an aside. 🙂

Why does the average person always seemed shocked that some rich guy, movie star, or millionaire blows off his face or drugs himself to death? Because they do not realize humans natural masochist trait. They think, “Wow, this person has a great life! Why would they kill themselves?” This is really the average guy’s way of saying that almost everyone suffers more than them (the rich, powerful, famous, whatever) why would they not want to live. Because humans are masochists. Those with the “perfect” “great” lives do not have enough people that suffer less than them around. They then take on the burdens of artificial “guilt” or whatever false loss or pain you can throw in. But in reality, they are not suffering enough in the deep recesses of their mind. They lose their place in the spectrum of pain. They have pain, even though they cannot place WHY they have pain. They cannot face what I have explained earlier, and they choose to die. You can only have so many people suffering more than you before your suffering becomes unexplicable. Then your mind is faced with the reality that it is life itself, existence itself, which is painfully unbearable. You lose the ability to think that your suffering is bearable because you suffer less AND your ability to say that your suffering exists because people suffer less than you.

You see, without the belief that you suffer more than someone else, you realize that the unbearable pain is life itself, and not the comparison to others. And then the justification or rationalization for enduring the pain disappears. That is why you see so many people who have “everything” off themselves regularly.

The more apparent, and “understandable”, side of the dividing line is much easier for people to comprehend. Those who see themselves as one who suffers more than most obviously believes that their pain is too great, their life too painful, and not worth living. I don’t think that this group who perceive their suffering as greater than most others wanting to die needs much explanation.

This site is filled with those who are actually in this group. (Like myself)

The biggest group of humans, as would be obvious and expected from any probability curve, are those who see “enough” people both suffering more than and less than themselves. This group being the largest have the largest influence upon everyone and “society” itself through sheer numbers. They have the power to continue the idiocy of keeping other humans prisoners in this existence. These are those who are somewhat “satisfied”, “content”, or “accepting” to one extent or another of the perpetual and constant pain that we call “life”. Until this group, the statistically superior become enlightened, the continual persistence of our disgusting anomaly of an existence of only pain will continue unabated.

So hopefully in the beginning of this rambling rant, I explained why I believe it is irrational, illogical, against the true interests of society, as well as unjust, to be against or to discourage in any way those that wish to terminate their lives.

In the second half, I tried to explain why even though it is irrational, unjust, and self-destructive for society to discourage suicide or freedom of choice (haha), that “society” will tend to keep these foolish beliefs, tenets, customs in place anyway.

Yes, I am insane, as I easily fit into the mold of one who does not unquestioningly accept and obey the accepted delusions of the masses. I think for myself, so I am broken and faulty. 😀

Yes, I am one of those who wants to die, cannot even remember a time when I did not want to die, but one who is trapped here only by the equally sadistic and irrational “survival instinct” which I loathe and know works against what I know I want and need.

I may be crazy, and I may be biased, but I hope that I have given some food for thought to those who are maybe not so sure about the topic at hand.

Tom

Owen (sorry if that is not right),

Feel free to do anything that you want with my words. I threw them out into the void to be seen, reflected upon, to exist. What happens to them is whatever happens to them. LOL

Yes, do whatever you want with my posts, they are public and I have nothing to hide. They are simply my thoughts and I believe them to be completely true.

Tom

And I still believe that nearly a billion people at least would die if given an easy, painless, fast way to exit this existence. 😀 We will never know for sure until the world becomes more enlightened and less sadistic though.