Do we try to help those who are suffering because we actually care.. or do we actually try to help and comfort those who are in pain because we wish somebody once did that for us.?
help someone > we help ourselves , so does this make us altruistic or selfish?
Attila The Hun
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I’d say no – or rather only if you damage yourself in order to help another and how likely is that? But then I’ve been struggling with this question as well. I’m interested to see what answers you get.
No Good Deed Ever Goes Unpunished ?
Friends ~
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Interesting
‘Group Conciousness’ there is no truly exsistant ‘I’ ‘Me’ ‘Mine’, your are me and i am you..
To atilla
Average human doesnt see like that but i agree with you we are one
Your right & It is hard to see like this, allot of things would make sense once we become aware and realised this,
so if i may ask & hope you dont mind,? why do you come here, what is your story so to speak?
i dunno i just feel that i can help someone it feels better when u know you are not alone and i understand how does it feel
thank you
u are into spirituality? u meditate?
I’d have to say it’s selfless, especially when you talk to people until they take their last breath from an overdose. It’s definitely selfless. You spend your own time to comfort someone else and it definitely takes a toll on you. Very selfless indeed.
“Spirituality” can mean different things to different people, while one can find magnificent beauty & true solace within the silence of the forest.. while the other finds indescribable beauty and true oneness by making love with someone…
we are all meditating every second of every day of our lives are we not.
yes indeed
What we didn’t receive of the wish we want to be treated, we show, we treat, we help others to get what we don’t have.
It’s pain, of the soul, bringing us all here !
If that is love unconditionally we crave for, we act the same toward others, without asking any of returns, not even to demand friendship as exchange.
We care, of good intentions, is like the beautiful angel we’re awaiting longing for, instead we angel-like anoint others to spark their bud-of-life to glow.
While of pride in success, we begin to know from our maneuver we’re merely the angel we’ve been looking for.
They say, to change, but apparently, it’s the yester-bads we no longer need, but the good the virtue we are to persist never letting go.
If the test we still have to fail at last, we disappoint still, and mainly just ourself !
Both simultaneously.
Because the two cannot be separated.
And things would be easier if more reach out a hand on a regular basis.
But so many have bitten the hand and have seen others bitten, that many are reluctant to reach out for fear of more pain.
fireflieslite: beautiful name that speaks to your being a sensitive soul. Thank you for sharing in your name the sort of visual magic that has often in the past awaken me & I am sure others, yourself too? from darkness and sparked a bit of joy and wonder about life again. And your description of the cycle of loving, or the half life of love, lovely.
Attila, Hun…
‘Group Conciousness’ there is no truly exsistant ‘I’ ‘Me’ ‘Mine’, your are me and i am you.. so absolutely true and moreover ‘ It is hard to see like this, allot of things would make sense once we become aware and realised this’
Yes, and yet there are moments of I, Me, Mine (never untouched though by the others
who have fill our subconsciouness before we ever knew we had one or those whose mind
we have entered) which is where the whole boundaries issues arise…that’s a whole
nother post though i’m sure. But essentially an I is just a bundle of bit of others
remixed, remasted in a unique constillation of a ‘me’
Yes, and how much more responsible and powerful we would be in relation to caring for
one another and ourselves…it would be the highest paying job in the world and the sadly
insufficient surrogates the desperate excesses of a lonely human race would be not
such a drain on our resources. .
also so very true.How exciting that while our lives cannot be lengthed much it can be
multidimentionally and multisensoryly expanded and be nearly as juicy and robust as
having lived a longer live- its like living many lives at once when we connect fully with
life and one another. ‘ Not just living in the moment but cradled by lounging about in it.
“Spirituality†can mean different things to different people, while one can find magnificent beauty & true solace within the silence of the forest.. while the other finds indescribable beauty and true oneness by making love with someone…”
And making love in the forest is doubly spiritual for others yet.
Sting has a great song on his Soul Cages album …’to see eternity in the blink of an hour’
(a line he referenced from another great writer/feeler/thinker. ”
we are all meditating every second of every day of our lives are we not? Not so sure about that…hummmm, put that in my ponderer.
When you believe what I do there is no such thing as a ‘selfless act’ on earth because there would eventually be no record of any such act having taken place. I do not regard any object or person on this planet as having a true existence in fact as I type this now I understand that each word will be deleted in time and thus superfluous.
I accept that particles exist in a zone governed by the laws of physics. Imagine if you were sat at your desk and you wrote something, anything and then immediately burnt the book without anyone having read it and you died moments later. What is to say you ever wrote anything at all. One day the history of this planet will become completely insignificant. There will quite simply be no record of it apart from space debris and bits of satellites that may fall into orbit around some distant object. So the example I gave before perhaps the burning of the book is the significant act, it might not be significant but you may think significant nonetheless. However, what I am really saying is that the book never existed at all and therefore we never lived in the first place.
I hope that makes sense.
OK those questions…..Atilla, Hun
1.’Do we try to help those who are suffering because we actually care.. YES
2. or do we actually try to help and comfort those who are in pain because we wish somebody once did that for us.? YES
as UN Owen said mutually inclusive and Fireflylite described mutually intangled.
hs > hs is not a static equation, it is dynamic when m=?, e=?, k=? (motivation, energy, knowledge just to name a few variables)
“I feel the earth move under my feet I ground come tumblin a tumblin down’ Carole King
Rather than trying to cleave the self from unselfish (notice it isn’t called unself…just ish)
why does it matter to you?
What’s your take on give and take?
Are you asking if we disappear when we care for another?
Are you asking what is truly caring for another?
Alterior motives complicating your relationships? Giving too much wearing you down? Giving to little making you an isolated hoarder? Projecting onto others and/or visa versa? Unable to manage your energy reserves?
MyTooSense,
At the time trying to sleep, I thought of your comment, so touching that I shed a few emotional tears.
And I thank you for that.
The darkness that seems, might just be the course necessarily in for passing through to the light.
But without a heart of daring to go through, people often find horror they can’t put up with and got lost.
And how nice it could be, if even just a tiny firefly in there to remind or entertain.
In psychology they think there’s no such thing as true altruism in humans, because we are rewarded with hormones/chemicals in the brain for all behavioir we exhibit. “Giving is better than recieving” is a common phrase that supports that. When I give to others that can be a more intense hit of dopamine than if I recieve from others for some reason.
So it could be mainly in self interest … but i suppose in a way it’s a way the human race will always help others, atleast when it suits them. Must be to do with evolution, nature is pretty brutal.