Suicide, violence and mass murderers.
With all the school and theater shootings in the news today and the other
mass murders being attempted by mentally unstable people, now is not a good
time to admit it to mental health or law enforcement personnel that you are
considering suicide
Those violent unstable ( shooter) bastards make it hard for
nice nonviolent people to commit suicide or at least talk about it. The
majority of the public, in today’s environment immediately assume that if
you are serious about suicide then you will automatically try to commit mass
murder before taking your own life. They want you to be locked up and
absolutely forbid you from owning any type of gun for the rest of your life.
If you are on record of being judged mentally ill at any time in your life,
that record will stay with you forever and prevent you from getting some
jobs. It is like being convicted (or even accused) of being a child
molester. The charge
never goes away. How many people actually fly under the
radar?
Quite naturally everyone is afraid for their children and for themselves.
Who can be trusted to not shoot you, especially in schools and theaters???
I own a gun, but no high capacity magazines. I do not need 30 rounds for
target practice. I do not like hunting, and I certainly do not wish to kill
anyone or anything else. I only like shooting targets! I am not angry and
do not blame anyone for my problems. So why shouldn’t I own a gun?
Of course, there are others that absolutely should not be allowed to own a
gun under any circumstances!!! These are some of the people that hide in
plain
sight.
I should point out that my thoughts of suicide do not include the use of a
gun…period!! If and when I go, there will be absolutely no physical trauma
inflicted upon my body. Guns are also remarkably ineffective and
unreliable when committing suicide. Anyone using a gun for suicide is very
foolish.
The talk today is that everyone wishing to purchase a firearm should be
examined by mental health doctors and get a background check,
in order to weed out the “Potentially violent Nut cases.”
We are sliding down a slippery slope in this regard; at what point will
everyone be required to get highly intrusive mental exams?
A savvy person can pass a mental exam by lying, so what good
will getting a mental exam do. There are no instruments, CT Scans or
electronic gear that can detect mentally “defective” people; they only ask
you questions in order to determine mental illness. People can lie!
If a person only wants to commit suicide but is discovered before doing so,
( or if you tried and failed) that person will probably be committed to a
hospital or mental health facility for at least 3 days (72 hours.) If you
really want to kill yourself, then lie and deny everything; tell them that
you did not intend to end your life…it was an accident, etc. etc. etc. If
you really do not want to die but cannot see any other way out, by all
means tell the truth; tell them you do want to die and ask for help. They
may
have a solution that you have not thought about or at least they can help
steer you in the right direction that will work for you. Hospitals can pump
you full of drugs that will make you forget about your problems, take away
your pain and give you a mental break from your anguish. Taking a mental
vacation from everything while in a hospital environment can sometimes reset
your brain and make your problems a lot more manageable. Your choice.
I will admit that the though of being committed to a hospital mental ward,
scares the hell out of me as I imagine that it does for many others.
Maybe it is the fear of loosing my freedom, even for a few days; the
inability
to just get up and leave at any time that I want. Maybe it is a form of
claustrophobia. I do not know for certain.
I am a senior citizen and I live in a fleabag motel in not the best part of
town and
expect sooner or later someone will break into my room and try to rob or mug
me.
I do not want this to happen so I sleep with a small pistol under my pillow
for
self defense. Without a gun, I could die or be severely injured by someone
else.
If I am going to die, I want it to be at a time and place of my choosing. I
would
have no hesitation shooting someone that breaks into my room, however
I have taken great care to use ammo that will not go through the walls
and hurt my neighbor. There are certain responsibilities inherent in owning
a gun.
Very often, hospitals can ask you mental health questions even when being
seen for injuries.
One councilor once asked me if I felt afraid for my safety living in my
house.
I replied that for as long as I had a gun on hand, I felt perfectly safe.
Without my gun I would not; plus I have lived alone for 20 years.
Does this make me a dangerous person to others? I think not! I would receive
no pleasure from hurting others.
So how does the average Joe know if the person they are having a
conversation with may turn into a mass murderer? Answer…you can’t, but
listen to what they are rambling on about. Some people may give you a clue
to
what they intend to do. Any mention of killing, shooting or getting-even
with
a single person, or multiple people must be reported to
the police, even if they are your friend or relative. I is very doubtful
that the average person could diagnose mental illness that will result in
violence. How many times have you listened to neighbors of a murderer,
comment on the news that they did not think for a minute their neighbor was
serious or would actually kill someone. They were nice “mass murderers.”
Just
consider what happens if you make even a small joke about high jacking while
in an airport…they arrest you…just-in-case you are serious. It is better
that an “innocent” person be arrested than have even one innocent person
lose their life!!!
If you are serious about only suicide, then talk about it here on the
Suicide Project! If you want to hurt someone else first, then contact a
suicide hot-line…fast, and explain to them what you are considering. If
your life is like crap and you are blaming someone else and want to punish
them by killing them, then you are an irresponsible jerk and deserve to be
locked up. No matter what someone may have done to you, there is no
justification for you to become judge, jury and executioner. Get help fast!
If you do not want help before “punishing” other people, then by all means
kill yourself first, but before killing others. Yes, I know that sounds
harsh, maybe irresponsible, but what is preferable, killing just yourself or
killing innocent children in a wild slaughter???
Under the right circumstances, I think that (just) suicide (not
Murder/Suicide) is the
perfect way out for a limited number of people. I am pro suicide within reason. For children,
there is no acceptable
reason or condition to make a final exit except excruciatingly painful,
incurable illness.
Time changes everything and mental anguish due to things and circumstances
in your life will always
change over time if only given a chance. Nothing can change for you if you
are dead.
As I commented at the start of this post, any mention of suicide in this
modern day society will always be associated with murder/suicide. Do not
even joke about committing suicide; you may have to spend some time in
restraints. Maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is.
If you feel you must, then go ahead…but not now. Put your final move off
just a little while longer.
There is no rush to die, take your time and examine all possibilities first.
Live a little, before you die a lot.
Dead Right.
1/17/2013
3 comments
Good post. Why do you think people who want to commit suicide by gun are foolish when it’s the method with the highest success rate? Granted, there is chance of failure, but if the person researches a little first they have a better chance of success. I want to buy a gun but would never ever think of hurting anyone but myself with it.
I foolishly babbled on and on to my therapist today and told her about my fascination with guns and how I want to get one just to have it and was going to a gun shop to look around this weekend… would likely never use it but just want one… and she made me promise her I wouldn’t buy one without calling her first. Damnit! I hesitated and asked her some questions to try to steer the conversation elsewhere but she was stubborn and I agreed. I could break that promise, of course, but what happens if I admit it to her? She has me committed? Refuses to see me any more since I broke an agreement? (I should have asked, argh) For now I’ll put the gun buying on hold.
Up here in Canada, you have to pass a 2 day firearm safety course and obtain a firearm license before you are even allowed to buy a gun. It’s about time the USA makes it harder for people to get guns. I’m a responsible gun owner too, but I’m not suicidal, nor do I suffer from a mental illness. I don’t think that people with mental illness should have guns, because the potential for killing yourself or others are increased over the general population.
I live in the US and its hard enough to get guns that a lot of civilians are discouraged. If everyone had a gun then as soon as a criminal started shooting there would be 20 people shooting back and it would reduce a 26 person school massacre or a theater shooting’s casualties significantly. Criminals will get guns either way, why take away civilians forms of defense? I’ve had a gun pointed at me and my friends dad was shot along with three other people near our town’s university a few months ago. A man was sniping people on the street and his neighbor (a civilian) got out his pistol and forced the murderer back into his house until the police got there. Who knows how many people that guy saved. From assessing the situation and seeing where it took place I’d save give or take 5 lives. Pro-Gun, thats all I’ll say because I’m on this website to help people and get help not argue about politics because our useless government hasnt changed anything because of these recent events and they aren’t going to.