Awesome. Now we know how NOT to get locked up. Thanks! Of Joiner:
“Under Texas law he was allowed to lock people up if they were, but space in the ward was tight, and he needed a way to sort the imminent threats from the not so imminent. He needed something that let him sleep at night.”
Sweet expression, “…he was allowed to lock people up…”
I’m not trying to be cruel or flippant, but I thought the coincident factors Joiner mentions were understood already to be predictive factors for suicidal attempts. And how does he know that feeling lonely and burdensome together with the ability to kill oneself isn’t also common among both those who attempt but don’t succeed, and those who don’t attempt at all? I don’t mean to be dense, but I don’t see the predictive power here, or how knowing who experiences all three categories of feelings will prevent suicides.
I can only speak for myself, but no therapist will stop me. Only the people I cared for and needed could have. I agree I feel lonely and burdensome, but I’m not brave or strong–I’m dying by “easy” effective drugs. At least that’s also having the ability. But I thought the desire/intent to do something and the ability to do it were prerequisites to anything we do. I’m confident that even if I’d seen this man, Joiner, I’d still be where I am now.
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Awesome. Now we know how NOT to get locked up. Thanks! Of Joiner:
“Under Texas law he was allowed to lock people up if they were, but space in the ward was tight, and he needed a way to sort the imminent threats from the not so imminent. He needed something that let him sleep at night.”
Sweet expression, “…he was allowed to lock people up…”
I’m not trying to be cruel or flippant, but I thought the coincident factors Joiner mentions were understood already to be predictive factors for suicidal attempts. And how does he know that feeling lonely and burdensome together with the ability to kill oneself isn’t also common among both those who attempt but don’t succeed, and those who don’t attempt at all? I don’t mean to be dense, but I don’t see the predictive power here, or how knowing who experiences all three categories of feelings will prevent suicides.
I can only speak for myself, but no therapist will stop me. Only the people I cared for and needed could have. I agree I feel lonely and burdensome, but I’m not brave or strong–I’m dying by “easy” effective drugs. At least that’s also having the ability. But I thought the desire/intent to do something and the ability to do it were prerequisites to anything we do. I’m confident that even if I’d seen this man, Joiner, I’d still be where I am now.
Sorry, I just don’t get it.
Yeah, sleep. After we conquer everything else, what’s left to kill us besides each other?