I want to find suicidal people in real life that I could have contact with. I just don’t know how!! It would be so great to have suicide societies where people who want to end their lives could get together, have open discussions, gather supplies, share advice, meet partners, and support each other. People this should be a basic right but its all criminalized. It’s all criminalized because of goddamned godless moral busybodies in the society that think it is their right to force everybody else to live. So what is this- a hollow dream? Just shows how unevolved the human race really is, that we do not have the basic rights for facilitating suicide for those that want it. I’d start one of these societies up myself if it didn’t mean getting my ass thrown in prison (the prison’s the world, by the way, people. we are already prisoners whether locked behind iron bars or locked inside bodies of flesh). My email by the way is aracole568@yahoo.com if anyone wants to get into any serious discussions.
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Rach,
Suicide is an option available only to human beings; no other creature can ever do it. That said, it also makes sense to think that since we did not create life, we do not have the right to destroy it. Moral and legal rights are only contextual; what’s allowed in my country may be allowed in yours. If you seriously look at it, no one can actually stop you from killing yourself. So it doesn’t matter if its criminalized. What would be nice though is if you could create a society of people who are contemplating suicide but are willing to support each other to face the crises of life together. Our trouble is that we think of pulling the plug while others similar trouble seem to survive and grow. If we can share hope and love, all of us might find a way to get out of whatever shithole we’re stuck in.
This is a beautiful life because we get to come into contact with the rest of existence and to experience it. Everyone, regardless of whatever trouble he/she may be facing currently has had atleast a hundred pleasant/joyful experiences in life which do not seem to come to mind when we see the current situation or contemplate the future.
Any medication that we take can be called effective or not only when we live to experience the after effects of taking it. unfortunately suicide does not give us this option. Is there any possibility for someone who successfully committed suicide to analyze their decision after the act is done? No!
so we don’t know if suicide is effective medicine.
Having said all this, I must admit, I do understand your feelings that you’ve committed to words here. I hope you find enough love for yourself so that you don’t ever think of this as a solution.
Not true^ dolphins have been known to hold their breath underwater and effectively kill themselves when in captivity
Dolphins are always holding breath when under water……
Well, even if was true there are 2 interesting perspectives:
1. Dolphins are intellectually more evolved and come close to human behavior in some aspects. So it is quite likely that they can ‘think’ of and actually commit suicide.
2. If humans can adopt the same method – holding your breath, then it can be accepted as a means of killing yourself. But try as you may, you will never be able to do it.
Finally, the point is not so much about the scientific accuracy, but the philospohy I wanted to share.
Thanks for the fact about dolphins though!
Dolphins have lungs and have to surface occasionally to breathe oxygen, without it they’re dead 😛
holding your breath underwater is a very effective way to kill yourself, dolphin or humans. Have you ever let out all your breath underwater? you sink. go figure
Dolphins breath air much like you and i do. They are not fish and do not have gills to breath underwater. they have lungs and must surface to breath. No actual dolphin suicide has been documented. in every case that was claimed as such, autopsy showed other life threatening problems such as serious infections of the lungs or hemorrhages in the brain. Dolphins breathing can also be greatly compromised by anesthetics and tranquilizers commonly used to sedate or put animals in this euphoric state that is suppose to assist them in a transition to captivity and keep them from going into shock and being damaged or dying that way. Sorry Emo God 666 but your statement is not true.
i’m morally conflicted about whether i want to dissect that first comment.
I don’t think my parents own me just because they created me, and i don’t think life is beautiful if you’re not one of the lucky ones privileged enough to experience what makes it worth preserving… which i think most of us here, aren’t.
I also wanted to mention lemmings and deer. Deer are notorious for leaping directly into the path of several thousand pound vehicles, moving at high rates of speed. I’ve been in a vehicle and experienced this; one quite literally leaped from the side of the road, directly into the path of our vehicle. We caught it mid-leap, directly through the grille, into the radiator. And yet… they will bolt at the first scent of human, or the first twig snapping under a boot. It doesn’t make sense that they wouldn’t perceive a vehicle as a threat… but it happens rather frequently. Maybe it was just tired of being a deer? Maybe being a deer just really sucks? Maybe it was deaf and/or blind…
Either way, i do like the idea of a “society” comprised of a bunch of people who come together over the current ways of the world being unacceptable and depressingly displeasing. But i think if we really want to check out, we can (and maybe should) do so “solo.” My death should be a private matter, and i really have no desire to include anyone else in my final moments.
I’m not sure if Dolphins commit suicide but Dolphins are said to share the human traits of bravery, jealousy and even a sense of humour.
But it seems they share some worrying vices as well. Scientists were amazed at footage of the mammals apparently getting ‘high’ with the help of a toxic puffer fish.
In an extraordinary scene filmed for a new TV series, the dolphins are shown gently passing the fish between them. Experts believe the creatures are using the toxins, which emerge from the puffer fish as part of its defence mechanism, for their own enjoyment.
They nudge the fish with their snouts and as the toxin is released into the water, they seem to lapse into a trance-like state.
At one point the dolphins are seen floating just underneath the water’s surface, apparently mesmerised by their own reflections. Dolphins also pass the mirror test.
Scientists have long believed that only humans and some apes can recognize their own reflection. A new study finds that dolphins can, too.
In the study, researchers at the New York Aquarium installed mirrors in a tank that contained two bottlenose dolphins — Tab and Presley. They marked the dolphins’ faces and sides with temporary ink, then observed them staring at the markings in the mirror.
“This is a very rare ability in the animal world,” said Columbia University researcher Diana Reiss, one of the authors of the study. “Only humans and the great apes have shown it and suddenly we have to sort of shift our theories now that the dolphins show it.”
Scientists have tried the mark test on other animals. Only chimpanzees, orangutans and gorillas passed the test by examining the marks on their bodies. Other animals either ignore their reflection, or react aggressively thinking it’s another creature.
The mirror self-recognition test is significant because some scientists believe it suggests self-awareness — an animal’s awareness that it is separate from the pack around it. Human children begin reacting to their reflection around 18 to 24 months. If Dolphins are self aware then they do commit suicide.
There’s actually evidence to support both arguments that dolphins commit suicide or not. there’s a website called dolphin suicide dot com lol
All animal’s are conscious but Dolphin’s are self aware like us. And I bet like us they get depressed and maybe suicidal too.
I like the idea of suicide societies because it would help to have support in times of need. I have always felt I got along better with people who experience depression and suicidal thoughts among other mental illnesses. I have been dealing with these feelings for almost 20 years and they won’t go away even with the aid of medication. The medication just suppresses the constant ideations. I don’t know how I feel about suicide pacts but I am not opposed to a person’s right to kill themselves if they should desire.
I never thought about it like that….with the deers. It makes sense. I would think that deers being deaf/blind would utilize their other senses more to avoid danger…..maybe they are not as smart as we’d like to believe.