No drama I promise. Just truth. First of all, I would like to give a shout out to all my friends in this group. Thank you for your love and support. If any of you would like to chat via email, my address is wndozh8er@aol.com.
I recently discovered that many of the posts I wrote broke the rules of this group and my status here is already hanging by a thread. Over the past few days we had a lot of fun, had deep and intelligent conversations, etc. the best of the best resides here.
I am a very outspoken person. Despite crossing the line with methods, I have also warned and educated people about the dangers of suicide and the likelyhood of failure. As far as suicide goes, I believe it should be a well thought out, personal choice. Not because I don’t care, but because I have empathy for their individual plight and respect for there self ownership.
If I cannot fully be myself and express myself freely and openly on how I feel and ask questions I feel are important to me, than I won’t speak or ask at all in here. Speaking freely is very important to me, and I’m sure very important to everyone in this group. Self expression is one of the paramount needs for us all. No judgement, forgiveness, listening, feedback etc are all important.
Pas I bid this site farewell, I still want to remain friends with all of you. Again, my e-mail address is wndozh8er@aol.com.
Peace.
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Nooo. I will miss all your posts and comments. 🙁
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??? did an admin warned you or something? i don’t remember that your posts conflicted with any rules (besides the ones talking about methods, but you did know about those). If that’s the case, well i do respect your decision but you’ll really be missed around here. You always made pretty good points and well, how can we forget about mormons and nascar, lol. Take car man, hopefully you’ll be back at some point 🙂
**Take care
I did a nascar pun without even wanting too haha.
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Yes Mormons and Nascar…man, what a night.
I am so sad to see you go. I have however taken down your email and I’ll email you shortly. I will miss our witty banter and your post. They were the highlight of my day/night.
You will be dearly missed on here.
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I friend requested you on fb:)
D: Oh no! I mean, I understand why but I will miss your presence on this site very much. I will write you an E-mail from time to time just to see how you are.
Yes, take care. I wish you nothing but the best. 🙂
I don’t know, maybe admin should be a little more relaxed with the rules. I understand the dangers of methods, but it’s not like wndozh told anyone how to do it. From what I’ve seen, he’s advise against many methods users have considered.
I understand admin probably didn’t expect users to get so close to each other, but it’s very hard not to get close to everyone when we feel we have no one else.
I’m not very good getting my point across, but I do wish there was a little more freedom….
I was pretty suprized when I fot the email. It was very cold too. I totally agree that the rules should be more laxed. As long as no body is attacking one another, I see no problem.
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? I sent you an email from my real address
WHAT!
Noooo…please don’t go, please? I know that probably hurt to get a warning when there are worse post in here than that. I don’t understand it. Why you and not some of these other trolls and drama queens? Ok, Admin why him and not the other ones that are here? This user is one of the best people here. He isn’t trying to hurt anyone. In fact I think he has actually saved some people’s lives, or at least prolonged them. He makes us all smile, laugh and have a good time. Please dont make him leave us. Wndozh8er, you are and always will be loved and wanted here. I’ve laughed, cried, smiled and had such a great time with him here. Maybe you can start something and have a following Wndozh8er? Do you have an Instagram? We could all follow you there. Share stories and pics. Oh I’m so sad right now. I love you so much and I hardly know you, but have grown to know you deeply through all your posts, comments and inspiration that just flows from your soul. You’re an amazing guy. Wow…just wow.
https://www.facebook.com/daniel.thomas.3701779 Dont worry, it’s not goodbye. I’m gonna start my own forum soon. Here is my Facebook page
Oh come on admin! Seriously… have a heart. -__-
Tho we barely know ech other i’m gonna miss you wndozh8er.
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We sent him a warning email, that’s all. We told him to cut it out with the requests about where to obtain certain drugs. We’ve deleted a half dozen of posts of his in the past few months on this issue, but this is the first time we sent him a warning (because we get tired of regulars who know the rules, yet violate them anyway).
We didn’t ask him to leave. We didn’t tell him to leave. We just told him to quit posting about specific methods, as per our long-standing rules.
If you see anything that violates our simple rules, report it. That’s what the report function is there for.
Listen. I am a loving and caring person. But I don’t take bullshit. Especially from people like you who’s on some sort of power trip. Your very cold. The email you sent me -“stop posting methods or I will delete your account, this is your final warning”. When I wrote you back, your response? “That’s fine no need to apologize on the site, I deleted that as well”. No heart or nothing! I contributed a lot to this website, just like everyone else on here did. Did you forget about when I talked people down from dangerous suicide methods? Did you forget when I made people laugh and put a smile on there faces? These people did the same for me! I found a family in the wonderful and beautiful people in here. I like to educate people. Also I like to talk freely. You don’t intimidate me.
Im going to make my OWN message forum soon. thinking about calling it – SPDefector. Only rules – no trolling, bashing others, judgement or attacks. My suicide forum will be about choice, and open discussion. You all will be able to talk about whatever you like with no fear of a warning or backlash unless your hurting others. As it should be. If your going to be a dictator about things, than I want nothing to do with you. From what I seen, the people in this group are the best of the best and are intelligent and caring enough to regulate themselves. I guess you don’t trust us enough, your loss!
Btw, had no idea that you deleted half my posts. Reminds me of a Yahoo Answer moderator. Your an elitist, control freak, and a fool. People who will find your rules too harsh will become disillusioned and leave this group just as I have. The group I wish to start offers a lot more than yours does. The people here are great, but not you. I tired of these overbearing regulators. With great power comes great responsibility. Please learn thst in the future.
Goodbye your majesty.
I’m sorry, but we moderate a site that’s been around now for 11 years. We have to deal with dozens of reports every day, and look into every one of them. We’re not here to be your support system, we’re here to *provide* you and other members with the tools to offer one another support.
We send dozens of people emails every week. I apologize if our email wasn’t warm enough for you. Do this for 11 years, and sadly, you become about taking care of the business of keeping the community running smoothly… and sometimes that comes off more brusque than perhaps it should be. But it’s not meant in a mean manner.
We get particularly frustrated by members, like yourself, who’ve been here for 5 months and know the rules, yet continue to flaunt them or act as they don’t apply to you.
They apply to all members equally. We just made you aware of that (privately, btw), and you didn’t take kindly to it.
We wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Please don’t advertise stuff here — that’s not cool either.
Quite frankly, I go against the grain of what a lot of people find “acceptable”. I don’t care what people think unless I’m hurting them. If the rules where relaxes alittle bit, maybe you wouldn’t have to do so many reports. I knew all about your rules from day one. I offer something better – a piece of my heart, honestly of self, and an opportunity to make great friends. This transcends stagnant rules. I’m not sure if yall made it up or Wordpress did,
My agenda – to help and listen to others, as well as tell my story. I give the advice and take it too. I am an advocate for choice. I believe very strongly in thst. Suicide methods can be very educational not only in perventing a painless death or a failed suicide attempt, but also offers the freedom of information incase someone is going to do it anyway. I also like to cut up and be funny too. It doesn’t all have to be about suicide. I also noticed you deleted posts of mine that had nothing to do with the topic of suicide. Do you not realize that some “off topic” posts can make people smile,think, and get there minds off there own pain for awhile?
Advertise? You no what I don’t think is cool? Censorship. There’s enough of that in the real world. Who needs that on here? If you like censorship than maybe you should work for the FCC instead of being a moderator on this site.
We don’t ban people who are reasonable and trying to abide by our rules. You’re welcomed to stay.
There’s a lot of “censorship” online — it’s part and parcel of running a large community with a diverse, large membership. It’s what keeps this place worth coming back to.
There is no lack of places you can go online to talk about methods and other things that break our rules. That’s what’s so cool about the Internet — it’s a great big place where you can find anything you need. We can’t be all things to all people, and we have no desire to do so.
I got a question – who does make the rules? Wordpress or the people who founded this website?
Wordpress is a piece of software we use to run the site; they don’t dictate how you use it. Each site owner makes up their own rules. That’s why reddit’s rules are different than 4chan’s or Facebook’s.
Btw, I did ask where I could get NEMB so I got you on a technicality.
Hmmm…probably irrelevant..but this is just for wndozh if you want to start a blog. If you create a site hosted by Wordpress on wordpress .org you have to follow their rules. If you create your own domain and use the Wordpress software you can do whatever you want.
This brings back memories of when I use to try and create websites…
Hey I got my wordpress running but I have NO idea how to start a message board. Think I might have to pay for it. Thanks for the tip
Uh.. yeah. Your other post where you posted that link got deleted. Unsure if admin will be fine with posting this comment I made on the other post. I’m not trying to stray people away from SP just giving wndozh advice on blogs/message boards –
It was only until Admin mentioned it did I realize wordpress.org and wordpress the software are kind of different. With wordpress.org you can sign up for a free blog but with wordpress the software you install it on a different web host. I don’t know if there are any users who understand web development (I think it’s called web development?) Maybe someone else can explain better.
I use to play around with web development when I was younger, but I don’t remember much. If you want to create a website like SP where users can submit content, you’ll probably have to host it somewhere else and install wordpress. Again, I’m a little unsure of this as I have not done this in a looong time. So I’ll look again to see if I’m wrong.
If you just want a simple blog you can host it on wordpress.org and I’m sure it will be fine. You’ll just have to stick the website on your profile instead of creating a post to advertise it. (Edit profile > Contact info > Website.)
and just when I was trying not to make a mistake, I did. wordpress.org is for the software, wordpress.com is for creating a free website hosted by wordpress.
The internet is too confusing….
Also, YOU are the only person in this group that seems to have a problem with me. I never had a problem with anyone else in here. So I guess it’s YOU who are the problem.
Quite frankly, your showing a great lack of respect for everyone else in here who cares and accepts me.
I’m going to get a lot of hate here but admin is just doing his job. It’s pretty clear that we can’t discuss methods and you kinda went overboard in the past times…so I Don think it’s a hate crime or abuse of power.
I understand where your coming from. Don’t worry I’m not offended
I guess I’m very confused on what ” no methods” actually means. I know telling someone a gun or that N stuff will kill you isn’t good, but I thought most “methods” are common knowledge. Especially if you’re actively suicidal. I just thought when they said “no methods” it meant don’t get into specific detail on how to do it and where to get the equipment to do it (I mean wndoz you did do that sometimes, but it never seemed too extreme to me.)
Well, I suppose it’s a difference of opinion and admin doesn’t want anyone to get hurt. Also since this site runs using WordPress there might be some terms the admin needs to follow in order to keep this site running without conflict from the host.
Be careful with Facebook. They are also kind of strict on their terms of use, so try to keep it a little tame as well. Anyway, I’ll talk to you soon!
Thanks. I’d never form a group like this on Facebook. I’m probably gonna do it on Wordpress or some other outlet, your definatly invited as everyone else in here is.
Would you like to join my Facebook page? It’s my profile
I guess in my state of mind, I felt like I was giving good advice because I want the N so I figured people wanted it just as bad as I do. Last thing I wanna do it hurt people. I’d never tell someone “you. Should just go kill yourself”. Thst would be wrong
“No methods” means no posts primarily about methods, plain and simple. You can mention them in passing in context of a larger post. But you can’t post, “Hey, where can I find this drug that’s supposed to result in a painless death?” or “Hey, where’s the best bridge to jump off of?”
50,000+ posts and we generally don’t have a problem with most members understanding this rule.
Yes, I understand. I would just hope you’d stick around on this site but also make your own blog away from here so you can write some controversial posts. I think you it would be nice if you stayed and commented every now and then. Sorry, it’s your decision on what you would like to do.
I only have a “real life” Facebook. So I’d rather keep in touch some other way but thank you for the invite. ^__^
SP Administrator- Thank you admin for the clarification. Sorry, you must be under a lot of stress and I guess I didn’t stop to think about that. I understand, thank you.
Same here, thanks for explaining it. I responded to some of those posts in the past only because i don’t want people to get scammed, so i was wondering if i was going against site rules as well.
You make a good point hiogneh. Maybe i should do a blog or something where I can make my own rules and still type in here sometimes, that is if I don’t get banned after today.
Ah…well…um, maybe you should stop attacking admin…haha. I think if kills can keep coming back, you can to. x)
Does kills keep getting banned? I guess i felt like I had to defend myself. That was my agenda more than just attacking someone. I have strong believes and I know that sometimes causes conflict.
Yes, I understand. You have the right to defend yourself…haha I’ll just stay out of it.
About kills, I really don’t know if he keeps getting banned. I do know he has multiple accounts but that may be for an entirely different reason then suspension.
Will miss the intellectual discourse man.
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Thank you all for your love and support. I love each and everyone of you regulars. I know I said I wasn’t going to write again, but I want to give you all my Facebook because I consider you all lifelong friends. I’m gonna start a message board of my own soon and wish to invite you all to it once it’s up. The only rule -no trolling or hate. Now THAT is a simple rule. https://www.facebook.com/daniel.thomas.3701779
Or you could… you know, stick around and avoid talking directly about methods. We can always go back to mormons, nascar and jesus 🙂
Thst too. Best conversation I ever had on here! Haha
Btw, since I did use the word Nemb, I did get you on a technicality
lol ya i keep getting banned. each time though i come back slightly more SP appropriate. More reformed. Admin knows I never post methods. Me its mosty my unpredictable temper and probably language. Thats my “method” to my banning madnesssss
I’m getting to know OP very well. He’s the sweetest guy in the world, oh my goodness. He is just amazing.
I am sorry to see you go. I would like to contact you again sometime but i am really boring, so…
Maybe I’ll go to that Facebook group. You are amazing. I love that you speak your mind, and the truth