It seems that the facilitators of the Suicideproject have decided to delete everything I post and write… despite the fact that I do adhere to the rules.
They will let people who talk about suicide methods and how they failed post about it… yet when I post or talk about the successes of these same methods…. my posts are quickly removed.
This stinks of double standard hypocrisy.
You cannot have it both ways.
Either this is a Neutral free fourm where one is allowed to post relevant data about suicide successes as well as the failures that occur due to erroneous attempts, or this is an site with a pro life agenda.
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This site is pro-life, the rules are clear: not methods no parrtners no hate. You are fully right it sucks, but this are the rules. Sites acceping methods are agains the law of almost all countries because the world still thinks it’s a good idea to force people to live. I’m quite sure that will change in the next decades, but for now it’s doing the best we can with the platforms available.
Not actually, I believe like you however, should be able to say anything and discus anything. But a pro suicide site that let people discuses methods exactly how too kill yourself would wind up in court being sued, you know how it works. There are cases in court right now over that. There are pro suicide sites and organizations, but aimed at helping end the suffering of physically sick “terminal” individuals. On a site like this someone could kill themselves because they had a bad day.
You are talking out of your ass rocketman. There never been a case were a pro suicide website got sued in court. Even if there been one judge will most likely throw the case out. Stop talking out of your ass
If theres one been please let me know
born loser,
You really live in another world, why do you think they say not to discus methods? LIABILITY , and i’m not going to do your research for you, your talking like and fool you don’t know the law.
If I told you to kill yourself and later on you committed suicide, the prosecution would have to prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that my suggestion to you directly resulted in your death. They would also have to prove that my intention to you was premeditated. If they could prove that (with physical or material evidence) then I would technically be guilty of assisting the committing of a crime, in this case the murder of a person by themselves.
If the prosecution could prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that my suggestion to you was a factor in you committing suicide, but that I either, had no premeditation, or could not have known the possible outcome of my words, then I could be found guilty of manslaughter.
rocket man
you cant name a single case were a suicide website has been charged for manslaughter. because the site administrator is not responsible if a person discuss methods on that particular site and kills themselves. if we were allowed to discuss methods on this site and someone kills themselves, the suicide project will not be responsible in any way.
and second there are euthanasia groups right now (like final exit and peace pill) who openly advise people on how they should end lives, and not once they have been charged for manslaughter in their history.
only you can be liable if you physically help with the suicide. so you are the one living in another world rocketman. and please name one case were a website got charged because they allowed people to discuss suicide methods on their website
born loser,
If the prosecution could prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that my suggestion to you was a factor in you committing suicide, but that I either, had no premeditation, or could not have known the possible outcome of my words, then I could be found guilty of manslaughter.
What part of this don’t you understand?
Three years ago Michelle Carter, was a Taunton, Massachusetts teenager. Today, she is a 20 year-old young woman who yesterday was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter by a Massachusetts judge, who described her behavior as “reckless.”
Was her behavior reckless? A judge concluded it was. Through thousands of text messages, Ms. Carter’s behavior was a crime that ended in a single phone call and the death of her then boyfriend Conrad Roy.
It doesn’t matter if it’s done by text, on a site it’s against the law.
Like I said i’m not going to do research for you I know it’s against the law.
Manslaughter (United States law) – Wikipedia
I’ll listen to the law not to born loser.
I don’t know. You probably have a point, but…
Of course, people totally have the right to end their lives. Yes, if they have got to the point where they “have” to do it, they’ll probably find a way to do it regardless. Often I still think it makes a lot of sense for me to do it.
However, I don’t think it should be made any easier for anyone coming across this site to kill themselves. Some problems seem unending and unbearable but can change eventually with the right support/coaching/friendships/life adjustment.
What is your intention of posting this information?
This will seem at first like trivia, but it is the very trivia that is used to thwart many a suicide attempt or intervene after a failed one. We have the constitutional rights of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, among others. What is missing in all these those rights is an express legally protected right to die, unless you live in one of five states, and are medically deemed terminal.
This is why someone can be reported to the authorities as having made an attempt and if the officer sees that person appears to have made an attempt that person can indeed be arrested and taken to a facility, by operation of law.
Lacking this fundamental right to die is also why we suicidal types can be denied firearms and all sorts of measures are in place to restrict our access to sufficient quantities of certain materials that would facilitate our humane departure.
We still have the potential to die deliberately, a kind of natural right to die I suppose, if we manage to overcome the obstacles, but no right by law to. This pisses me off to this day when I even though am not presently suicidal.
Thanks for the informative comment. I hear you.
I live in the UK, where no one can be prosecuted for an attempt, regardless of where they live within it, so I know it’s slightly different here. Although we can be sectioned if MH professionals decide we “pose a risk to ourselves”.
It’s obviously a really complicated issue on all kinds of levels.
I just think, what about the people online who might provide information online for kicks, hoping that someone will do it? And more importantly, what if the person who got hold of that info could have found someone to help them get a clinical intervention, or something? What about the people who are so close to doing it for year and years but then they get help and their depression lifts and they can untangle everything else and get new enjoyment from life? The people who look back and think “Thank Christ I didn’t do it?” Is it bad that the option wasn’t offered to them on a plate before?
There is a stupidity in society not wanting people to die when they don’t care a tiny bit about them in life, though, the principal is pretty hollow…
I’m exhausted so I appreciate this may be nonsensical, ha.
@littlesoss Thanks for reading through that reply. If I do not edit thoroughly I get my words in the wrong places.
So it sounds like the government response to a person posing a risk to themselves is about the same in the US and UK. The arrest I refereed to probably is not perceived as such in many cases.
I have experienced one formal intervention but it was not for suicide. It was for my premature birth. Those processes where very painful and arduous in those days (the 1950’s) with no regard for the resulting mental costs in those days. They left measurable psychological damage in their wake. It was nothing short of being forced to live.
My second intervention was just a few years ago. It was done privately and it was for suicide. Yes I can be persuaded to live for now but I remain unconvinced as to how well I will view life in the months and years to come.
It feels strangely reminiscent of that hospital stay so long ago. Just live goddam it.
Thanks for reading.
I will be crossing over soon.
My motivation is that there seems to be a great deal of misinformation placed on this site concerning methods that supposedly do not work…. even though the methods when done properly and with the right materials, do indeed work. People are able to describe the details graphically provided they say it did not work… yet when I post information (case histories and stats indicating how succesful these methods are…. its a different story. That info is deleted.)
However, as I have discovered this is actually not an open forum…. but a pro-life forum… I will stop. After all, if it is full of snitches, police informants and the like, I ve had enough of that in this lifetime.
I have noticed that too. I don’t know. You’re probaby right.
I hope you find a way out of your situation without dying, though, even if you hate me for saying it.
I remember some thing about your stories and I think they were basically telling people that if they understood what they were doing, followed directions, got the right stuff, used the right stuff, and so on then the methods would work. The comments, my memory here is not the best, went on to try to correct their errors I think. So when a story gets viewed as “sharing methods” then yeah it gets pulled.
You can email the.suicide.project at gmail.com if your feel story was pulled wrongly.
Idk. I’m guessing you either pissed someone off and they are reporting your posts or you’re blatantly discussing m3th0ds.