Sigh…alright…this needs to be said. Don’t take this as me attacking anyone, because I really don’t want to cause a problem. I was here over a year ago and saw the same thing. It made me leave then because it isn’t what anyone needed. A lot of what I see isn’t true depression, it isn’t true psychological pain. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t doubt that people that post here have rough lives. Everyone has rough patches. A lot of what I see here is simple: a bunch of kids that blow things out of proportion, that assume because one thing bad happened in their life means it’s all over…that just want attention.
Listen to my explanation of true psychological pain.
You cry yourself to sleep. I don’t mean you are sad when you go to bed. I mean you curl up into the fetal position and you cry your heart out to God, you scream and you curse and you hate every fathom of your being. The psychological pain you feel is real pain. It is a knife in your heart, a claw dug into your face. It makes you tremble, and you can’t stop it. Doctors prescribe medicine to help, but it is no cure. There is no cure for it, and you will have to live your entire life with it. Every step you take makes your chest hurt, you feel heavier and heavier with each passing moment, almost unable to move. Your head feels like it’s going to explode. You go to work tired, you work, you go home, you sleep for 16+ hours. You know how you would kill yourself if you desired. You have an action plan, you know what you would have done after the deed is done. You have your affairs in order for when you do.
This is a mere fraction of what true pain and depression is like.
I’m not saying everyone here just wants attention. I can tell which ones want the attention and which ones want help, which ones have true pain. Things like Bipolar Disorder and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder fall under real pain. I understand things may seem bad now, but that isn’t really what is going on. We aren’t here to say “NO! DON’T KILL YOURSELF!” or to all turn our attention to you. In my mind, if you post a public statement that says you are going to kill yourself then I will simply move on to the next post. The people that actually commit don’t flaunt it before they do. They get their affairs in order and they pass. They don’t post all over Facebook and all over Suicide Project about how they are going to do it, when, etc. They just do it. This is the case for the majority of people.
So I ask you all to take one moment and think…is this really what we want this site to be about? I don’t. I want people to come here and seek help. A lot of people look at this site hoping for people that understand and that will listen, but they get turned away by people that make a mockery of the condition, that make us look like fools.
I told my doctor about this site. He looked us up. Guess what he thought? That all this is…is nothing more than an attention site. I agreed fully with him. I told him that this is why I left. I don’t care what the intent of this site was when it was created. It matters to us all what we make of it. Please put down your self-centered dramatic actions and start thinking in reality. Please…I beg you…
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reclusivedragon–
I think I can relate to what you are saying… For me, it’s less about crying and more about physical pain and about regret. We could be at different points in our lives – or our perspective might be due to our just being different people.
I have a bunch of things in my past brought me here: serious child abuse and a cold family. Even though I got counseling and did all the right things, abuse (emotional, physical and sexual) was a “gift” that kept on giving. As a kid, I never had a role model for a healthy, loving relationship and grew up thinking they were normal parents.
My parents blatantly refused us any kind of affection; they seriously believed cuddling and affection would “spoil” us – so we got none beyond a very very young age. As an adult, I was quite unprepared to enter into a loving and healthy partnership with another adult. Thank goodness I was smart enough never to have kids. Hard as I tried to be a loving and caring partner, I’d never learned the “how to” of a good relationship. Try as I may, my relationships failed over and over. Of course, this was my own. Many times when I tried to be loving or affectionate i physically felt like I was suffocating.
I was extraordinarily lucky academically. Not only was education very easy for me, I loved it and found it very easy to win scholarships. I went quite far in getting a great education. 🙂
That was offset by not having the best of luck health wise (physically). So at the time I should have been pursuing a career, I was struck with a chronic, catastrophic illness and became severely disabled. (It is very obvious to the naked eye – so it’s not hypochondria). This probably sounds like an ode to self pity – please understand that I accept that MY lousy choices, for the most part, put me here.
At my age, opportunities are all in the past. I’m no longer the bright young person with a stellar resume and a world of opportunity open to me. A combination of things and events came together to bring me here. The chance of things changing are nil – unless some wonderful person came into my life. Not going to happen.
I’m VERY fortunate that the physical pain is well controlled and my care givers are very willing to do whatever to control my pain. I will also say, up front, that while my health problems are indeed trying, I’ll take what I have over the medical or mental health issues that others have any day. I know very well that while my situation does suck there are many people out there who have it far worse.
I’m acutely aware that things can go south at any time. I want the right to decide when enough is enough. I have no intention of enduring months of months of treatment if a cancer diagnosis is in my future. Why would I agree to endure surgery and chemo when my quality of life is already marginal? Further, I refuse to keep slogging along should i discover I have some form of dementia. Sorry. Not for me.
I believe that we all should have the legal and ethical right to determine what we can tolerate and what we cannot. Especially beyond a certain age. I am very concerned when I read about some 18 or 19 year old person who is determined to commit suicide. I just want to shake them – at that age most people don’t even have a realistic concept of what life means – and they are already choosing death? I try not to be judgmental, but at that age suicide should not even be in the picture – unless they are suffering from terminal illness of some sort. Never because their boyfriend or girlfriend has left them – even though the breakup of relationships is, of course, (temporarily) agonizing.
I’m adamantly opposed to capital punishment for a lot of reasons. We are not the same persons we were 30 years ago… Heck, I’m not the same person I was 10 years ago! Of course, there are fundamentally awful people in the world – like Ted Bundy – who could never be set free without endangering everyone. It’s astounding to me that the US is so in favor of executing healthy people while vehemently opposing the rights of people with sound minds to decide to terminate their own existence. (And what about death row inmates who attempt suicide? They patch them up just so the state can be the one to turn around and throw the switch. That’s just cruel).
Am i on the brink of dying by my own hand? No, absolutely not. If I were, I wouldn’t tell anyone – I’d just get it over with. However, I won’t hang around indefinitely. I have a crew of pets to whom I’ve promised a healthy & happy life. The love I’ve gotten in this world has come from animals – I could never even contemplate checking out and leaving them holding the bag. Once my little ones are gone, I’ll have nothing left to live for. I’m not crazy or particularly depressed. Just brutally realistic.
Fact: every living creature is marching to the grave. At my age, it’s common to die from heart attack and cancer. Next fact: we all die from something. Fact three: most elderly people who are autopsied have some form of cancer – active or not. Fact 4: if you live long enough, cancer is almost inevitable. Fact 5: If you live long enough, your organs start to fail. Bottom line: I want to be the one to choose, I refuse to be passive and allow my body to decide.
Like a lot of other adults, I’ve considered death quite realistically. Death became real, for me anyway, on 9/11. Heights terrify me, so I watched the leapers in absolute horror. I was faced with the question about what I would have chosen: to burn alive or jump. I knew someone (vaguely) who died when the North Tower collapsed. Up until then, I was blissfully naive that the authorities could save anyone in a situation like that. Now I know better. After 9/11, it became crystal clear that no one gets out of life alive. I’m not sure why I was in a such a denial bubble up until then. But I lost my innocence on 9/11. Damn Mohamed Atta and has merry band!
We all die eventually – some sooner, some later. I don’t want to be an elderly, frail person whose body/mind has failed me. I wish I lived in a state where assisted suicide was legal. As a nurse, I know with certainty that medicine has the capability to make suicide peaceful and painless for those who qualify under the law.
I feel no empathy for the “devoutly religious” (and others) who oppose all laws allowing for choice. It’s their fear and hysteria that have frightened legislators away from passing humane laws on assisted suicide. I admit that I don’t understand the disabilities rights types who claim that my choice in some weird way bespeaks of victimhood. No, in fact, their right wing hysteria leaves me stuck with haphazard suicide methods that could fail or leave me a complete vegetable. That’s victimhood. Taking away choice makes us victims of the system that does not respect human dignity.
I wish the ideologues and fanatics would keep their laws to themselves. Let’s stop pretending that death doesn’t claim every last one of us. In my book, it’s my personal right to decide when, how, and why I exit this life.
As for judging the motives of others – that’s something I lack the wisdom to do competently.
THIS!
This is how the majority of posts and comments used to be around here two or three years ago. There use to be much more thought and debate about all aspects of life and death, it was REALLY fun and REALLY informative … someday, take a look back in the archives. It’s what made me a “regular” here.
Now there is more focus on younger generation issues – to be fair, us older folks who have been through those agonizing break ups and came out the other side to actually experience the “temporary-ness” of the agony and pain it caused – we KNOW it’s temporary … but to those who have never experienced anything like it … it’s catastrophic … and seemingly unending. It feels like the whole world has crashed on their heads and buried them alive … we grizzled old folk know it passes and subsides with a little time and a little distraction.
A little patience and understanding along with some gentle mentoring from those of us who’ve been there before can make all the difference – I know it gets repetitive, but this is one place where everyone should be met with warm understanding and not the cold indifference the rest of the world is so keen on meting out.
Anyway, JediBard, I just wanted to say BRAVO! And tip my hat to such a well written and fine comment – I wish it was it’s own post/discussion thread – it’s certainly worthy 🙂
appreciative dawg
It’s not that it’s anyone’s fault…it just needed to be said.
It doesn’t need to be said, and you’re the one who needs to apologise. Go insult people elsewhere.
I haven’t been here for that long and I somewhat see why you’re saying.. I just recently found this place in hopes of finding someone who could relate with me about flashbacks as I have them more frequently. I came to ask and see if anyone could tell me how they cope and what not and I still have yet to have a true response.. I know that it’s something I need to discuss with a dr however I wanted insight from someone else who knows first hand how it is to be back in a horrible place.. To feel like there’s always a constant nightmare in your mind but you aren’t asleep.. To hear, see and feel someone who you HATE with all your might.. Although I think it’s nice and I think it does help ppl from what I see sometimes I do think some ppl take things a little overboard at times.. But there is no telling the real level of someone’s pain on a virtual world.. So who am I to say..
Having said all that does anyone have any advice on flashbacks.. Not just like “hey, I day dream” like the kind that take you back to something truly hurtful and you see hear and can feel the person/people that were there in that time of your life at those moments?…. Anyone?….
RE: flashbacks
I still think about the bullying I went through. I still feel all the words said, the things people threw until I bled… I see their faces, their sneers. I hear their laughter and I know I am an outcast, the embodiment of human refuse and I don’t belong anywhere. Even though it’s been 16 years since then, I still think about it since it went on for 10 years.
It’s more vivid when I dream about it – like it’s happening all over again, which is why I try to avoid sleeping for very long. I’d rather feel exhausted and go through another second of that again. That’s my only way of coping. I know that doesn’t help you, but since I don’t meet all of the OP’s criteria by sleeping 16+ hours, etc, perhaps I don’t even belong here and have nothing to offer in the first place.
This may seem like a stupid answer…God created crying for a reason. Crying is one of the best ways in my book to release emotion. If humans couldn’t cry then I don’t know if I’d still be here. Don’t hold it back – let it out. Hold a stuffed animal tight and cry and cry until you can’t cry anymore. You’ll feel better – I know I do. I won’t say some bullshit about how they’re only hurting themselves. That kind of pain is real, and only crying can help at that point.
But yes, I would say, see a doctor. I did, he put me on meds and a psychological regimen. I feel better now. There is no cure, there is no way to make it so you won’t have to worry about it anymore. The only thing we can do is cope, and do our best to find ways to help.
You could try EMDR if you can find a good therapist, helped me with some traumatic memories that felt so real I would be able to feel like I was there again, still angry and scared etc.. If that’s what you mean?
Meant to make that a reply to darkestraven by the way..
They don’t just feel real they sound real and they look real!! As vivid as a horror movie playing in a child’s nightmare… It replays over and over and over when they come.. I have lashed out on what used to be “friends” on accident thinking they were someone else.. Idk why I guess it’s a reflex?….. Anyways It may sound pathetic but I have out off a dr because I’m afraid medication will change me?.. Idk I guess I fear it’ll make them worse and honestly I don’t know how they could get worse but it’s a huge fear.. Also I tried seeing a therapist once back in July and he told me that my problems were too “intense” for him to handle because he’s not that skilled and I need to see someone who’s more experienced?….. What’s that mean?.. I kinda felt offended like he was trying to say I’m to screwed up .. I’m so confused .. I feel kinda ashamed and embarrassed that I can’t control them and that they’ve gotten so bad that my friends don’t want to hang around anymore :\ sigh I guess it’s a good thing I don’t have a job right now
It just means that someone more experienced can better help you out…don’t take it to heart. Also, trial and error is the only way to find a regimen that will work for you. I suggest seeing a doctor about it soon.
🙁 I’m so afraid!.. I’m tired if my mind spinning in circles constantly at night trying to figure out an answer as to why things happened the way they did… It feels like my mind is working at the speed if sound.. It’s like when everything gets dark and quiet a switch is flipped or something and I just can NOT sleep.. I’m sorry for blabbering on I just feel…lost?..
Of course some of the posts are for attention. Thats life for ya….but pain is still pain it still hurts no matter what the degree. people need to feel like their pain is heard, felt sorry for, and…i guess understood.
Copelessness I’m sorry you still have a rough time.. Mine are a little different mine are about sexual abuse and physical abuse (being dragged by my hair and spit on,being kicked while I’m on the floor, told to run up and down steps until I vomited) .. And it’s not by some old boyfriend or what not it was my mothers boyfriend..
My mind still spins trying to figure out why I got put in foster care and had to do all this shit and live with his words and sight and touch everyday but he gets to walk free and has not one fucking ounce of guilt.. I don’t understand how a mother can choose a man over her own blood. Her child.. I don’t understand how although there was enough evidence to take me and rip me away from friends and my school that there isn’t enough to lock his pathetic ass away and or convince my mother that he’s a sick pathetic man and that she should not be laying in bed next to someone who’s that disrespectful and gross..
I’m sorry 🙁
I’ve seen your posts and know your story – and in no way am trying to compare you to me. I’m sorry I can’t offer more to help you. You seem like a genuinely nice person that the world has treated in such a vile, despicable way and people who mistreat someone like that make me want to behave in a way that is totally out of character for me. There is something about sexual abuse that just makes me boil at my core and I’m sorry you went through such things. I wish I could give you some words of solace to shed the horror set upon you (or at least numb the wounds so you might find a way to heal), but I have nothing to say that would help. I’m sorry. No one should have to go what you’ve gone through. I’m sorry you have and that people in your life aren’t more supportive. You need them to be there for you. I only hope they understand that before they find out they should have been more comforting. Take care.
I stopped reading when you said that all psychological pain involved crying.
I read the whole thing and I wish I could unread it.
I knew it would be like that. There is no definitive guide to psychological issues, depression, emotions etc it affects us all in different ways.
I never said all psychological pain involved crying o.o it was an example.
“Listen to my explanation of true psychological pain.”
You’re attempting to say that psychological pain is definitively crying in the fetal position. Nope. For you maybe, not other people
I posted this comment on another post asking/stating a similar sentiment – I’ve tried to edit out the parts that were specific to the other post so forgive me if some things said don’t quite “fit or seem relevant to the original post here – the gist is what I’m trying to convey without retyping the whole thing:
In fairness … everyone hits stone walls in life at every age … I say this as one of your contemporaries (in your age group). It would seem from your post that you’ve had points in your life where you vocalized or otherwise communicated your desire to end it. Same as the folks here both young and old. The vast majority here are really searching for truth, acceptance, understanding, compassion and advice. In short, they are looking for a solution or at least a rationalization to get over a hurdle they see no way around.
I know, when I first found this site, I kind of saw the younger folks here like you do – not having “real major issues” … but the fact is, you and myself (at one point – but not now for me) was only viewing their issues in the context of YOUR/MY lifespan. It’s simply not a fair assessment. It’s like berating a small domestic dog (shih tzu, chihuahua etc.) for not acting like a wolf or a great dane. The two might share DNA but that don’t make them equals.
In context, the young folks issues seem every bit as insurmountable as yours and mine seem to us – and you and I had similar issues when we were their age … but when you put OUR issues that are similar to theirs in the context of OUR lives and then compare them to the OTHER later hurdles that we’ve faced – our later issues seem to dwarf the issues we had when we were young. This, unfortunately is not a ringing endorsement for what the young folk have to look forward to – they see it as “more of the same” so the logic of the young folk is “why bother?”.
What they need to hear – and I recognize this is NOT a “one size fits all” – is that older folks like you and I had many many good and fine experiences that make a temporary bump in the road WORTH the effort … granted those “bumps” can be major, and debilitating, but over all THEY don’t outweigh the occasional stone wall/hurdle/bump in the road we run in to maybe EVERY 2, 5, or 10 years that brings us to a point to contemplate throwing in the towel.
See, they tend to get the cliff notes on life – face homelessness, job loss, financial ruin etc. and in a setting like this you can’t accurately convey that there is a w i d e … w i d e gulf between these moments … time can only be referenced, the full appreciation of a large block of time filled generally with contentment and happiness just doesn’t carry the same weight in the company of sadness and pain. Make no mistake – the young folks hurting here are facing every bit the same feelings of frustration, sadness and pain that us older folks are … it’s just in a different context. A context that can be difficult for folks like you and I to insert ourselves into given our pasts and experiences. But the feelings are every bit the same – feelings of loos and hopelessness are as debilitating to them as they are to us.
Now the caveat/disclaimer – yes, some of the folks here really don’t have THAT much to complain about even in their own contexts … some have mental illnesses that exacerbate what would be a minor issue to a healthy mind – you may have experience with mental illness, so you may know this better than I.
Other young folks are facing a very difficult life of physical, sexual and emotional abuse at the hands of the ones who the social contract says is suppose to be their protectors. They got dealt a super shitty hand of cards. Many of then, despite being at a precipice here, will battle through and look back on this moment in time as a source of strength to carry them onward. Others may not … you and me have the voices of experience and wisdom to try and paint a vision of possible positivity for their futures. Our voices may give just enough pause for them to reconsider and reflect and might, just might be the feather that tips the scale to the side of life, positivity and perseverance.
Let’s not be hasty to judge everyone and throw them all in a “one size fits all” pot. Many of the young folks here are wise far beyond their years and despite the fact that they have accepted an exit from life at a young age, are using that, and this place, as a motivation and coping mechanism to chip away at the roadblock that has them stalled. But ultimately they are actually survivors … they may just need a gentle nudge from an old sick geezer or two once in a while when we can muster the energy … and if we can’t be helpful, at least let’s not stand in their way 🙂
geezer dawg
Addendum to ReclusiveDragon
While I may not disagree with your statements in principle, I don’t see the point and purpose to marginalizing those who don’t “meet your standard”. Is it really that hard to sift though or simply ignore those posts that you don’t feel “rate” versus running the risk of inadvertently further alienating someone who may not have the communications skills to effectively outline, format and convey their emotions in written form to your and your therapist’s degree of satisfaction?
Around here we try to think of others first before considering our own selfish needs and desires – I’ll be the first to admit that there is an increased plurality of issues that would not show up on the radar of most adults. That doesn’t mean their issues carry any less weight to them – If their posts don’t interest you and/or you have nothing to add – please pass them by and move to the nest post – but even you can agree that depression, bipolar, sexual abuse, bullying … and the list goes on … are all things that can be experienced at any age.
Bottom line – If you cannot help or offer anything … at least don’t hurt or hinder anyone else’s attempt to get/give help
Thanks for indulging me
guardian dawg
You’re right. It just frustrates me to see people that don’t want help – they only want attention. I see this in life as well.
I know someone is going to take this out of proportion again, but I’ll say again.
I AM NOT SINGLING ANYONE OUT OR POINTING FINGERS AT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR.
It’s not the suffering olympics. And if people need attention, you’d prefer them to be silent?
I understand what you are saying and have, at times, agreed with this sentiment. However, the thing is people kill themselves for a variety of reasons and mental illness is just one of those reason (albeit a very prevalent reason).
I think it can be dangerous when we try to classify or explain away the pain of others. They may be experiencing a passing hurt, but then better to encourage or assure them of this.
This isn’t called The Depression Project. By definition anyone who is contemplating suicide is probably suffering from some form of depression — it’s not usually a decision made on the spur of the moment without prior fore-thought.
Are there varying degrees of depression? Yes. Do we want to discriminate against people who are depressed and suffering but don’t fit some minimal criteria of what certain believe is Serious Depression? No.
This place is for everyone who has a suicide story. Plain and simple.
I am appalled by this post altogether. I couldn’t have possibly read anything more stereo typical than this bs. Are there ppl here simply looking for attention, sure. In not naive enough to believe there isn’t. Am I going to say that I know who they are or are not? Hell no! Cause I’m not that stupid either. Everyone is different. Everyone is unique in their own way. It’s what makes us people. So just because someone does not react as you do to depression or mental pain. I know from first hand experience on more than one occasion that the majority of your post that you state as “fact” is really false. No, I don’t take it as you attacking anyone……that’s not how stereo typing works. Your attacking everyone. Put down your self-centered dramatic actions like talking to your doctor about this site to be told it’s just an attention seeking site or whatever. The fact that this is the topic of your rant and that your doctor made the statement to you must mean your the attention seeker. Otherwise it wouldn’t be the first thought for your doctor. See how fair it is for someone to judge you? And don’t go off with your limited understanding of suicidal ppl and how they don’t post anything and all that bs. How they just get things in order and pass. Since you have been posting and obviously talking to a doctor about your thoughts you just labeled your own self as a fake yet again. Or you would have just got things in order and done It….Your an idiot. There has been multiple (more than 3) suicides in my family alone then also friends. I found my father after his as well. But I guess they weren’t suicidal since they didn’t really meet any of your criteria? But yet they still committed…don’t like what you see here? Don’t come here. It helped me to a degree. I seriously doubt I would be here today if it wasn’t for a part played by this community. You literally disgust me.
This isn’t a competition for whose pain is greater, worthy, or valuable. There is an inherent awfulness to life at times we all must deal with.
Pain and suffering are relative. If a person even looks for or bothers enough to post on this site, it is a valid attempt at expression/help.
As for looking for attention…we are human; we all need attention in various forms. There is nothing wrong with that. And again, if someone is looking for attention here (there are plenty of places to go perusing on the internet), then they need it and that is okay.
We are all equally human with the same basic needs.
Enough young people commit suicide each year for us to take notice, they do it for a whole number of reasons and who knows what is going on in someone’s mind, we don’t have foresight, we can’t tell if it’s just attention or a last cry of help. Small thing will seem insurmountable to some and they can feel alone and ignored. This site is important for all of us to put the problems they feel out there and to realise that none of us are alone with facing them.
* This site is important for all of us to put the problems ‘we’ feel out there and to realise that none of us are alone with facing them.
I see what you’re saying, and I agree with it somewhat, but it’s so incredibly arrogant of you to say that people are attention seeking because they blow things out of proportion.
Who the hell are you to judge? You don’t know these people?! This site is for everyone to talk about how they feel and to be supported. Unfortunately, nobody here cares what your counsellor thinks; his job is not to judge the community but to understand.
Seriously, if you want to be judgemental, talk about it with people who agree, not people who are obviously going to be offended. What the hell is the point in that? “It just needs to be said”, does it? Well say it elsewhere. You disgust me.
You are the true attention seeker. You are the one fishing for people’s comments. Congratulations, you’ve pissed some people off.
Well done. You said it 🙂
Again…I wasn’t singling anyone out…I can’t stress that enough. But thank you for jumping to conclusions. Just proves that reading and understanding is completely different.
Reading and understanding are different. Perhaps that’s why they are different words….you attempt to defend yourself by accusations of jumping to conclusions and not being understood? While you blast ppl above in your original post by jumping to your own conclusions and claiming you understand those that just want attention from those who don’t from only reading as well…..all I see from what I read is a pure idiot who is the inherent exception to their own rules and guidelines. You can understand from reading while we can’t. You can jump to conclusions from that while we can’t. Your pain is the only true pain and your allowed to seek help however that may be but we can’t cause we are just attention seeking. And your wrong in another area. You were singling someone out. You singled yourself out when you spoke against an entire community. Don’t like what you see on SP? No one is forcing you to come here and read or comment on anything. Go seek your pure attention driven desires elsewhere. Go tell it to your pathetic crutch of a doctor.
Are people seeking attention or are they just confused and can’t interpret their emotions? Especially the young ones, they get this incredible change of emotions they’ve never felt before and don’t know how to deal with it. Some people go out and become artists, other people think that their calling is to commit suicide.
Some people try to combat their emotions by writing. Don’t judge people if you never walked their path you don’t know what caused them to be at this point. You don’t know who has cried their last tears.
You make a valid point, I don’t deny their pain or overwhelming emotions. Part of living with Borderline Personality Disorder is that exact feeling. As I said before, I wasn’t singling anyone out – especially younger generations.
Pain is SUBJECTIVE. You cannot treat or judge other people’s pain just because what they’re experiencing is not the same as yours. That’s why in the medical field there are scales used so that the PATIENT or SUFFERER can communicate what they are feeling and describe it to the health provider. In the medical field, professionals are taught to respect their patients’ pain and not belittle them becausr again, only the patient truly knows what they are feeling. Not to mention that people have different pain thresholds and coping capabilities which accounts for the difference of perception, i.e. sokething that seems small or petty to you
Pain is SUBJECTIVE. You cannot treat or judge other people’s pain just because what they’re experiencing is not the same as yours. That’s why in the medical field there are scales used so that the PATIENT or SUFFERER can communicate what they are feeling and describe it to the health provider. In the medical field, professionals are taught to respect their patients’ pain and not belittle them becausr again, only the patient truly knows what they are feeling. Not to mention that people have different pain thresholds and coping capabilities which accounts for the difference of perception, i.e. something that seems small or petty to you is actually very heavy and overwhelming for others and VICE VERSA. I’m so sad and angry about this post because this site is SUPPOSEDLY the one place that you can share without being judged or belittled. This is where people turn to each other for help without being afraid or thinking twice. But with posts like this people will now second guess themselves and think “oh, my problem is NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH’ or “I DON’T DESERVE TO BE ON HERE because I am not crying myself to sleep, I haven’t attempted suicide 30+ times OR WHATEVER STANDARD YOU DEEM CORRECT TO CLAIM THAT A PERSON’S SADNESS, DEPRESSION OR PAIN IS LEGITIMATE.” And I think the image of you and your ‘physician’ looking over the posts on this site with crossed-arms and nodding to each other all self-righteous pointing out entries that are “attention-seeking” is just UNFATHOMABLY OFFENSIVE. YOU ARE THE SELF-CENTERED ONE if you are SO NARROW-MINDED AS TO TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY PAIN ANYONE CAN EXPERIENCE MUST BE PERFECTLY SIMILAR TO YOURS. You do not deserve this site and the help that people offer here. And since you BOTH seem to know everything, I BEG YOU PLEASE to just go away and just spend all your days with that wonderful doctor of yours.
Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling we’re being trolled? I dunno.
I should probably give up here. No one really read in between the lines. I made it clear that I wasn’t singling anyone out. A lot of people took bits and pieces of what I said and used it in their comments. I’m not denying the pain of other people, or their need for attention. I’m merely questioning their desire to end it. When someone uses talk of ending life and their pain SIMPLY for the use of gaining attention; that is when I have an issue. I’m not pointing fingers at any one person here. I know people have pain. I know there are different amounts of pain. This was meant to be a mature discussion, but some people took it to the extreme. /)-.-/)
I am not judging anyone.
I am not belittling anyone.
Read my post a second time with that mindset and you might understand what I am saying.
No reason to “give up” but you did cast a wide net. And while there may be those that you intend to target with your comments, I don’t think you weighed the cost/benefit in regards to the collateral effects of those comments. here is the most revealing comment you made here:
“When someone uses talk of ending life and their pain SIMPLY for the use of gaining attention; that is when I have an issue”
Number one – it’s YOUR issue to resolve … everyone else is doing what they need to best cope with their situation … as I stated above, I you don’t like or believe how they do this, either help by showing a better way or ignore that particular situation … either way the ball is in YOUR court.
Number two – really, please tell me what/how the motives of others directly affect your life/situation? It is RARELY a “simple” explanation that the SOLE motives of others is to gain attention … but even if it is … so what? … I mean really … So What?
I don’t disagree with your general premise that some are here for attention and some problems are “easy” to work through … but you and I are NOT in their shoes or in their heads so it’s presumptuous to think we can “know” what they’re facing or feeling. You don’t get to dictate what or how they should feel … you only get to control your own actions and feelings. If you’re letting the presentation that other portray here affect you … then the “issue” is specifically and distinctly within YOU … so you really need to analyse why you let the feelings and actions of other control your emotions and responses in that regard.
This is a community of wide diversity that is knit together by pain and adversity … but many are often forced to hide their true feelings for fear of judgment and ridicule … so the ranks here tighten and defend any one that is criticized because the many have very vivid memories and experience with being ostracized by those closest to them that profess love
Dawg
You hit the nail on the head
Yep. I give up. See ya.
The way you guys react to this upsets me. So. Think whatever you want about me. Think that I don’t care, or that I’m here to piss people off. Lies are easier to believe than truth.
Instead of giving up why don’t you try and understand why people are upset?
Well…I guess I don’t know what I’m talking about then. /).-