I will firstly try to be brief, and to-the-point with what I’m going to say here
(it’s not an easy thing, especially since I’m not that good of a writer, and secondly, English is not my first language ie: I am from Indonesia, and don’t ask why I can get to this website!…it’s strange, I know. internet is amazing).
It’s been a week that I’ve accidentally found this website, and ever since then following many posts & threads here. I will say this again & again: that I’ve found so many sincere, honest, and also the most heartfelt and even most eye-opening, mind-shifting posts/threads and ideas that I’ve ever known thorought my life.
For those of you who are new here, I want to somehow honor this particular guy’s post named Splinter, and you can find how overwhelmingly & deeply CHANGED I am by his posts, and I’m sure also for many of you here who have read his posts.
And thus, even though I still don’t know if the guy (Splinter) is still alive or not (I do sincerely hope he’s still alive..! he’s just such a wonderful & exceptional person I’ve ever known, even though only through ONLINE world!), please allow me the honor to re-post again the link of the threads/posts related about him as to make his ideas & ‘teachings’ to be forever eternal, and hopefully, can keep spreading out:
This is Splinter’s original post & story:
http://suicideproject.org/2010/08/lets-face-it-were-all-evil-in-some-way/
and then here’s the latest story of splinter, posted by Pink404 (please read also the last comment by toosugary, actually, just above my *newest* comment there too): http://suicideproject.org/2010/08/splinter/
Now, onto my real post.
Instead of I go rambling, which I’m afraid will turn into my ‘bad habit’ somehow of writing a too-long message that you’ll get tired to read, I will summarize all my thoughts by using numbered points.
And if there’s anything, that you want further detailed explanation, or even to discuss it, you can then just choose the specific numbered point(s) below.
There’s nothing more honorable than if I, no, ALL of us here can get so involved in ‘connecting’ with each other, and discussing the points, before if you’ve decided to commit a suicide.
1. My first and probably most important point:
sometimes, our thoughts of suicide can be caused by simply NOT acquiring the *additional* knowledge(s) enough, in whatever form that is, that even if it’s just a small knowledge, it might CHANGES what we *initially* thought or changed our initial perspective about all the ‘hopelessness and vanity’ in this world and humankind, or that there’s NO more hope in our life, etc etc.
A brief example: if it were not because of I accidentally found this website, and reading so many heartfelt, sincere posts here, especially Splinter’s post, I’ve probably still have the OLD perspective about Life, never a NEW one, let alone the enlightening, empowering ones!
I can cite many, many other examples, such as my cousin’s very-simple-yet-smart comments about Death and this Life (you can read in some of my posts here in this website), and for me personally, to be able to eventually find a seemingly common group of similar, like-minded people, from initially just a mere accidental Personality Test I’ve followed in my college years about 10 years ago, and some great perspective-changing personal-development blogs that thank-goodness seems to be happening and spreading more & more. This one blog *alone* might even perhaps change some of your perspectives, although it’s not directly related about suicide or death : http://celestinechua.com/blog/how-to-start-from-nothing/Â .
And also, I might even be bold to say (and I know one poster here have also somewhat said this, in her own words, somewhere in this website): that some (or many) of you have been soo shaped with so much negative experiences in your life, that sometimes you just can’t seem to ‘climb the mountain’, and look at the ‘half-full glass’ perspective on the *other* side of the mountain.
And no, I’m definitely not talking about DECEIVING the ‘Truth’ , but simply to recognize that you can CHOOSE to view a given fact, or information, as in ‘half-full’ or ‘half-empty’ perspective, in almost ANYthing!
I would give you the most straightforward ‘proof’ and example of this: seeing that some (or even many, as I’ve noticed!) of you have somewhat CHANGED your mind and perspective, once you’ve read the other’s post or comment to your original thread, or post here!
I don’t know about you, but I’ve personally seen so many “you’re right….thank you for your kind words” or “hey it made perfect sense! thank you! wow I never knew about this before!” among so many posts and comments in this website. This surely must mean SOMETHING good, and positive, right?
This leads to the point #2
2. We are all more ‘CONNECTED’ than we have initially ever thought of!
Sure, before coming to this website, each of us might think that we’re so damn alone, and that nobody in real life understand us, and hence we want to go commit the ‘shortest way’, ie: suicide.
But then, you chanced to find this website, and then, the amazing things happened: you suddenly found that you’re NOT alone! that there are also OTHERS who are perhaps sharing similar thoughts, even similar like-minded ideas and perspective about this world!
There are even some new ideas from others, that when you got ‘connected’, it totally changes your perspective about what you CAN do in this only-once-Life-on-this-Earth !
so if there’s anything I’ve learned more from my stay in this website for this past one week, it’s that being ‘connected’ IS very important.
We are all not a *perfect* human beings, and we are obviously not God.
so this is why we need to connect with each other, especially in this advanced-technologically Internet era! and we should be thankful, and at least USE it to create a CHANGE among the common, ordinary people.
Hell, so many great and inspiring things thorought human’s history is rarely achieved by only ONE single person’s idea. Even Albert Einstein have to rely on the previous Physics theories, to finally come up with his new theory that have really CHANGED the world ever since! Obama might rely much on Sir Martin Luther’s “I have a dream” aspirations 40-years ago, that it INSPIRED him so much!
And YOU all here, you all have a CHOICE, to keep *connecting* with each other fellow like-minded human beings here (this is why I truly believe in the importance of having a mailing list group, or a new special forum perhaps, so we can stay in close together, supporting each other consistently!), and to ACT upon those ideas.Â
Never ever underestimate the power of an idea, or a thought, or a theory.
As shown very clearly by Splinter’s case and his posts (I’ve posted the links above)!
This leads to point #3
3. I believe that most of you who posted here are either or both very sincere, heartfelt, and sensitive souls, and/or also smart, intelligent people!
I truly believe that each of You here are MEANT for SOMETHING! a “Purpose”, if you may say, NOT necessarily created by ‘God’ or whatever,..but like Splinter said so well in his post: it’s as simple and basic as something that you KNOW what you truly really have to do,…before you’ve decided to take that *final* step of commiting a suicide, and stop LIFE.
In fact, if there’s anything very important I want to say at this point, it’s this: this fucked-up world might needs that needed change from EACH OF YOU here!
I am not saying that you can’t choose to commit suicide and death (‘cuz I’ve realized that I’ll never fully able to understand other people’s pains, experiences, and sufferings that made them come into their conclusion to end their lives. I try NOT to be that egoistical, assuming that I know everything! no, far from that actually! I believe that I’m *not* a perfect person, let alone God, who knows everything about a person), but just as one poster here said that Death is just IS,…it suddenly occured to my mind that Life is also just IS.
Your Life, your breath, every ounce of your breath,
every feelings of frustrations at the current fucked-up state of mankind,
every good intention, soul of yours, that all have been ‘gifted’ or ‘given’ along with your breath, your OWN Life……isn’t that also IS? it’s just that perhaps you have been clouded so much by the ‘evil’ in this world that you haven’t known or considered about what ‘Life’ could really be,..if you just give it a CHANCE , and keep preserving…’till the end, ’till you’ve encountered the ‘Death is’ anyway?…
Again, the ‘half-full, half-empty glass’ analogy comes into play here.
I used to discuss about “the meaning of my life†with my intelligent cousin, and he said something that I will probably never forget:
“sure, you can choose to think that “we will eventually die anyway, so why don’t we just DIE right now??†, but you can also CHOOSE to turn it around, and think “since we will eventually die anyway, why not just try to LIVE our damn-only-ONCE life (in this Earth!), and do our BEST to create something, even creating or be the CHANGE we want to see (Mahatma Gandhi’s quote also), until we will all die *anyway* at the end??â€
it surely makes me think hard & ponder….and make still keep living, no matter what, up ’till now!
Always remember that the greatest and most inspiring changes thorought the human’s history has always been a GOOD, POSITIVE ones, caused by the *REAL ACTIONS* by those daring individuals!
(Note what I’m emphasizing there: Real ACTIONS. Not just praying and wishing!).
So if now any of you are feeling so much frustrations, angers, anguish, and even depressed at how the humanity mostly are, I will say what I once read in a good inspiring article: USE it all!
USE your anger, USE that energy, and most importantly is to CHANNEL it into some *REAL ACTIONS* !
DO something real, instead of just praying, wishing, and crying, which in most cases won’t change a thing.
You are given that ‘feelings’ for a *REASON* ! Try to find what you can DO, and expand your limit, grow beyond your comfort zone, and thus be a BIGGER change you want to see.
Because you *know* that you are a human, full of potentials, that you are supposed to DO something with your untapped potentials, instead of just burying them, and instead just cry & wipe over these kind of stories, because it won’t change ANYthing!
Your ‘goodness’ is there for a reason. Use it well.
Each of us doesn’t have to DEPEND or constantly, endlessly LOOK for the Hope (though it will definitely also help a lot, to know that you’re not alone in all this!), but just as obvious from how GREAT changes have really, literally occured by Splinter’s case (as mentioned in the latest post by toosugary here: http://suicideproject.org/2010/08/splinter/ ), I really believe that we can go CREATE the Hope!
in fact, some of the most inspiring, and even greatest GOOD things thorought human’s history have been CREATED by those ‘weird’ and even ‘outcast’ human beings who have so many radical thoughts,…just like many of YOU guys here!
4. This last point: contrary to perhaps what many of you initially thought: Humanity is not ALL that hopeless!
In fact, as my cousin have suggested, and related to my 1st point about knowing the *additional* knowledge, in this case, History, he said that we are now might be living in the most peaceful era, compared to those past centuries ago, like during World War eras, the ‘Cold War’ era, the Dark Ages, the Kingdom-ruling era, and so on, so on.
just imagine how many helpless people are burned, tortured & silenced by the dictatorships.
At least now we know ‘common, ordinary’ people like us can have much more voice & powers, thanks to technology and particularly Internet!
just look at how Obama won as a first American Black president, isn’t it because the votings of internet by ‘common, ordinary’ people like us that eventually influenced the outcome?? Things like this still didn’t exist even just a century ago!!
And we’re still not talking about the past-incurable diseases, that now have been found the cure to those diseases, like influence, tuberculosis, etc.
There’s NO single previous era before, that an opinion from a simple, ordinary 14, 15 year old kid can affect many ‘simple, ordinary’ 20’s even 30’s, 40’s something adults across the globe, in other part of the country reading through his/her computer screen!!
And imagine if EACH of us here has tried to at least CHOOSE to DO something, using our current era’s privileges and resources and technology, to honor Splinter’s heartfelt & touching posts, thoughts, and ‘teachings’,..instead of choosing the “quicker, easier” ways by choosing Death very immediately.Â
I guess what I’m trying to say in all of these points, in summary, is probably this: Try to NOT give up this only-once precious-life on this planet Earth too quickly. As far as possibilites are concerned, it might simply because you haven’t had acquired enough knowledge, or a NEW state-of-mind/perspective, shared by other person.
Try to ‘connect’, and find similar, or like-minded people, or people who care for you (point #2), and if you can’t seem to find one in real-life (because bounded by their fucked-up society rules or beliefs or something like that), then that’s what Internet is all for, isn’t it?
Know that Humanity is not ALL hopeless (point #4),
and most importantly, know that EVERYTHING that you’ve sincerely felt, are probably really meant for something! (point #3). Perhaps a true purpose (or a ‘calling’ from God, forces of this vast universe, or whatever you want to call it)Â unique to you! so USE it all, don’t waste or throw ’em all away. USE them to ACT, because as Splinter said so well, only through REAL ACTIONS, instead of crying, wishing, escaping, or even just praying alone, we can really start to CREATE REAL CHANGES we want to see.Â
Again, I can never get tired from such an inspiring words by Gandhi:
“Be the Change that you want to see in this world”
Don’t wait. Don’t wait for others. Don’t wait for “hopes” .
Be the change. and keep connecting, and sharing, and supporting many souls.
Don’t die yet,…at least before you’re doing what you *know* deep down inside to be your REAL purpose (ie: what you *know* you really have to do) in this earthly-once–only Life.
You might be what the world needs.
You might be that real, sincere, most heartfelt CHANGES that this fucked-up world really needs to be *enlightened* with! Go, walk the talk!
Anything that’s worth the efforts never comes easily. As a poster said wonderfully in one thread: “anybody can just choose to die, but it surely takes a stronger to choose to keep living”, and especially, to DO something he/she knows what he/she have to do in this Life!
Or perhaps, you might even mean the WORLD to a person, or to your friends, or perhaps to someone online across the globe (like Splinter’s, again!), unknowing to you!!
Even if all else fails,…and after reading this turned-out-to-be-a-long thread (yeah I’ve just realized it, sorry guys,..can’t help my flowing pouring thoughts!..), you’ve still decided you want to *choose* Death (ie: comitting suicide), then at the very least, I know you *know* what you always want to do with your suicide: to leave a very important message, whether to your family, friends, or the world!
Then, by all means, please make it a ‘meaningful’ death, so others can SEE your reasons, your important message!
Use technology & resource available nowadays: Create a blog/website, like what Splinter did (again, posted by toosugary, in the link above), which perhaps unknowing to him, have caused the ‘Message’ to spread and spread, so it’s not all in VAIN.
Write a deep-lasting letter, and put it somewhere visible to your family, friends, or even to large number of people, if you will.
or many other things,…so the important message of yours can leave the MARK, so others and perhaps future generations can LEARN something or even a LOT from your message.
Then, maybe then, this world, humanity and mankind might get more and more hopeful again, without we even realized it!
8 comments
Hi Niki, love your post and thanks so much for including mine in yours. I love your passion, I wish I knew you and could see you, and speak to you, you sound so so lovely.
I’m afraid Splinter is dead. I spoke with his friend, he died last night, was found this morning. I feel so weird I can’t explain myself, these feelings are new to me, they go so deep.
xXx
@pink404: and thank you very much too for your heartfelt post about Splinter. yours and Splinter’s have truly changed so much of my perspectives towards life. please know for sure that it will NEVER be in vain! never ever! I promise I’ll USE what I’ve known (that I cannot unknow it again) these TRUTHS from both of you, as long as I’m still living & breathing!….before I meet my Death eventually.
and regarding Splinter’s death, honestly,…I am shocked. now. in fact I don’t know what to say…
even I myself feel so weird,..so I can imagine how YOU -who have spoken directly on phone with Splinter- would definitely feel so weird.
if I may know even just a tiny bit, can you perhaps explain in just some words, or sentences perhaps, by what you mean by these ‘weird’ feelings?…this might probably hold to another ‘pure Truth’ about the genuineness of human’s soul & emotions.
I wish I would know you in real life too…we could probably become such good friends understanding & sharing with each other (life is funny, isn’t it? we can feel sooo ‘connected’, yet, “Life” doesn’t seem to allow us ‘connected’ souls to really connect in REAL life…only through internet.)
I’ve accidentally just read your post in the “Exit Bag” thread, and I’m also quite shocked & surprised that you might planning to do suicide, even though you seem to be “all” that every girl/woman wants: attractive look, money, lovely flat, and I am quite embarassed now to actually say this: living in where I dreamed the most: LONDON!
I can sense so clearly, somehow, that you are a real, genuine woman.
I just want you to know that if there’s ANYthing, anything I can do to stop you from committing suicide. here’s my email address: nikiwonoto@gmail.com . I am not a perfect person, but if you share some of your story, perhaps I can understand more, and add or share some of my perspectives, in a hope to help you cope with your pains, or at the very least,….just to give a new perspective, from another soul.
Teaching each other about the TRUE, REAL things…ah…what a much better place this world would be if MANY people do this!
I do agree that life is weird that we cannot meet in person but in some ways is that not actually a beauty that this internet has given us? For instance you don’t know what I look like, or whether I was male or female until I say so, and so no immediate judgements can be made. we have to go purely on what the other person is saying and feeling and that’s how it should be.
Explain how I’m feeling, hmm, okay, I’ll try. Today I have been crying a lot since I heard the news. I guess a part of me feels sh1t that I never got to (for fear of sounding like a bimbo) just cuddle the guy you know? I have a massive love for him and yet it remains here inside me with nowhere to go. To think that these past years I have lived only a few miles from someone like this and never knew, pains me deeply. i could have helped him, could have supported him. i only spoke to him for 2 days and he sort of changed my life and what did I give him in return? What did anyone ever give him but heartache?
I don’t want to make this post negative though, I feel a little negative. I feel sad and I feel very suicidal myself. I’m scared to go to sleep cause I gotta wake up and face another day in this cold world.
oh you are right, Pink, regarding the “beauty” of this internet thing.
see?….I *know* that you are not a ‘bimbo’! you’re one genuine AND intelligent woman!
my god…why/how come those who commit suicide are mostly between these two types, ie: the genuine, sincere and/or the smart, intelligent people!
it is as if the ONLY type of people that can continue to survive in this world is a FAKE, superficial, and I hate to say this but yes, ‘less-intelligent’ people! although I don’t want to quickly judge in ALL of them!…but my god,..I have actually also witnessed quite very SIMILAR TRUTHS even here in my country in Indonesia, in the so-called ‘metropolitan’ city where I lived at: Jakarta!
but dear Pink404, somehow I always believe that human beings are still in the process of *evolution*, and perhaps it is this SPIRITUAL *evolution* that humanity NEEDS the most, and hopefully, is in the process.
althought humanity might seem so ‘dark and evil’ , but I also KNOW and have met MANY people who are genuine, sincere, and heartfelt too,…even if at first it’s through Internet/online! or from some random street encounter, etc.
and the stories of ‘minority triumphing over majority’ would always give me a HOPE.
but I vow & swear at one thing, that if suppose I become soo much frustrated & experience even HALF the pains that you’ve experienced, and hence, decided to follow so many here to commit suicide too, I swear, that I will try as BEST as possible to make my death’s MESSAGE to be as clear, as blatant, to-the-point, and as wide as possible! (perhaps using internet or blog, like Splinter did, or through some other means).
so fellow humans, other people, future generations, would LEARN SOMETHING from my utmost sincere heartfelt Message regarding this fucked-up world, and my HOPE and what the readers can DO.
But as for now,…I somehow feel that it is still not my time yet..
I will continue to keep living,…and try as BEST as I can to USE what I’ve read here in this website to create the REAL CHANGE, and hopefully, to ‘connect’ with other souls.
as John Lennon said in his song Imagine: “You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m NOT the only one”.
I believe somehow that we are all ‘dreamers’ in this website.
it’s such a beautiful thing….and it’s just so sad to know these ‘beautiful dreamers’ have got hurted so much and decide to end their lives… they truly must deserve better…
I don’t believe that it is a case of the minority ruling over the majority, the streets are full of good souls, we are just led to believe that it’s bad out there so that we don’t all connect, and see the truth. I don’t think people are bad, just blinded, brainwashed. I feel I am at a stage in my life where I am at a crossroads, in this human life of mine. I feel I have learned a truth (that I already knew inside, but it has now grown and is consuming me) and I need to make a decision if I should pursue a life of real true meaning, which will be difficult, or do I cut my losses and take a chance on my true spirit and on the unknown, if the worst comes to the worst, I will experience the ‘nothingness’ of death, but that does not fear me as much as life does.
I have had bad times in my life Niki, and I have had times of wanting to get out of here, sometimes acting upon that. But I have also had many wonderful times. It’s so hard to describe, but no-one that knows me would ever believe that because I have always been the person that helps them all through the darkness and help people to achieve their dreams. I am always positive. All the people who come on here and offer words of wisdom to the sad ones – that’s me, that’s what I have been all my life, I can always cheer people up and give them hope. it’s my gift. But it means nothing, it never did, I could never do it to myself though. Now I know why, I know what my gift really is, my gift is that I love life so much that it’s killing me, I’m wasting my time cheering up the sad when really I want to rescue children, I want to burn down the houses of the rich who experiment on animals. And human life wont allow me to do that because I’ll end up in jail, or vilified in the media. I am trapped. By my huge heart. I always have been. Sounds so melodramatic doesn’t it, it’s almost making me throw up to say it out loud (so to speak).
Life is killing me, it’s not me.
If I feel better tomorrow or at least if I don’t go ahead and kill myself, I will come back on here and speak to you, but if I don’t then you know what’s happened, i won’t post a suicide note, there seems to be too many of them already! If I do die, I am already doing it to support Splinters causes, not his wifes murder thing, but the whole thing. I don’t know quite how yet as I’ve been too emotional but I will decide on that tomorrow.
Feeling sad & overwhelmed after I’ve posted my previous comment above to Pink404, I feel that it is *so* truly important if we can somewhat ‘bond’ together in a more ‘close and intimate’, and also more ‘organized’ setting somewhat,..this is why the Mailing List or Groups idea I feel is such a very important thing.
I can never emphasize enough the importance of the 1st point (point #1) I wrote in my original post above, and consequently, point #2 too..
and I feel like I really need to DO SOMETHING about this, to ACT,….before I see or hear more and more good-natured souls (that this world might REALLY really need it, unknowing perhaps to you all!) are gone from this earth because of taking the ‘quickest’ route to the ‘next level’..
this Life….could mean so much. if you just give it a try, one more chance, one more day..
I am so overwhelmed and burdened and sad even as I’m writing this..I don’t know why (and I’m a 28-year GUY here)…
may you all be blessed, o good souls..
Pink404, I am a friend of G1974, I tried to post this earlier…awaiting checking or something like that…, I should have noticed my friend was struggling recently. You are NOT alone and I’m sure that you don’t relate to your name at all. Here anytime if you need to chat…
gwf9965@hotmail.co.uk