I helped a guy one time who had cancer. I gave him a ride to the cancer treatment center. He didn’t want my help after that day because I smoke cigarettes and he detested the smell, even though I never smoked the whole time we were together. (That’s beside the point though). He told me he was pronounced clinically dead once. He was much younger at the time of the experience. But what he experienced was nothing. He was convinced that nothing existed once a person passes into the threshold. Nothing! Can you imagine nothingness? What if he is right? Do I want nothingness?
I experienced near death situations with my illness. Nothingness to me is an impossibility. Yet, people experience this. For me, I had awareness. I can believe that something spiritual was taking place in my mind and in my life at the time of my near passing. Being near death is like being high, at least to me. It’s a trip I don’t want to take…at least not until the time is right. I never crossed over though. I don’t know what is on the other side. I have hope that something better is beyond this realm…this existence as I know it. But who can be certain? I can’t even begin to compare what I have now to what is beyond this life. Because I simply don’t know! But the way I feel now, I don’t want to give up. I’ve worked hard in my lifetime trying to be the best that I can and sometimes I still wonder what the point is! But I’d rather have this than nothing. I know. It seems warped. The guy could have been right. I don’t want to end in nothingness.
Any thoughts on what’s beyond?
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I’ve read/heard that when you die, you basically go into whatever “after-life” concepts that you believe in. for example: if you believe in christian heaven, then you’ll probably go there. or if you believe in reincarnation, then you’ll go there. same that if you believe in nothingness, then to nothingness you will go.
basically, it’s said that when we leave our physical body & existence, it’s our Mind that will manifest itself (whatever we’re thinking of), as we’re not restricted anymore by our limited physical body/existence.
don’t know if it’s true or not though,
but all these after-life, spiritual planes existence, NDEs, OBEs,
they’re all really very interesting & curious to me,
that I sometimes wish I can spend my entire life dedicated to do research on these other-worldly things.
Niki, what you say makes sense. It’s not really a matter of who’s right and who’s wrong. It’s more about our perception and our beliefs about it. I don’t have a deep cultural or societal reason for believing. All I know is that something changed inside me when I was near death. I have no evidence to back up what I believe…only a very deep and personal experience that I think is unique only to me.
I don’t know where you are in your life’s journey, but I think it’s cool you want to research these things. I’m glad to know that your mind is open enough to explore and I hope you can do this some day even if it’s just on your own time. Thanks for responding to my post. I enjoyed reading your comments.
WOW! Someone that thinks very much like me. Niki is a dang genious and should definitely explore this more. Myself, I have had 7 NDE’s. The last one in 2001 was soooo incredible I had to try and share it, so I posted it on the IANDS website. Unfortunately words are not very expressive in this situation. I know what happens when we leave here. I have experienced it for myself and can’t wait to go again…..but…..suicide is not an option. At least not for me. At first that fact made me madder than hell, but then I got validation from a friend that passed.(long story)
In the end, I don’t believe, I KNOW what will happen when i leave this tired old body. Love to share what I know but not very pushy about. You would have to ask.
Amakua, I’m interested in your story. I just checked out IANDS and read a couple of postings. Good stuff. I have to wonder if it’s just brain chemicals that are sparking in the imagination. Is it wishful thinking? Is it real? And I can’t help but be reminded of the ones who actually face “demons” or “evil” during NDEs. What have they done any different than any other person who experiences “the light” or the “good” or the “love” or “God” or “Jesus” or “heaven”? It seems unfair. It’s like a game of chance or something. Do you suppose guilt may play a part? Sure, the ones who claimed to experience the “evil” have changed their lives, their hearts, their perspectives….everything. How can one be sure that they won’t experience the “evil” again even after they change “for the better”?
What if it’s a dream-like state? I don’t know. Just throwing out ideas.
@Bobby: these are all great questions. thanks.
@Amakua2309: what do you think about Bobby’s questions above?
I will check up on the IANDS website very soon, it sounds interesting.
and also if you don’t mind, I would really love for you to share your NDE story..
you can share it here, or for more privacy, you can email me at nikiwonoto (at) gmail (dot) com.
will definitely be eager to read about it.
I tend to view it more from what we know of energy. Everything that ever was or is, is really nothing more than a certain frequency or quantized energy that seemingly pops in and out of whatever plane this is.
Personally I believe that within the very smallest piece of energy is another entire “universe” and that our entire “universe” is nothing but the smallest piece of energy in a larger universe. Kind of like those Russian dolls 😀
So I believe that “we” are nothing but an inevitable collection of these energy packets or whatever formed simply from chaos and probability. Scientist now speak seriously of many “universes” or “planes” or a sea of “ether”.
In the end, I think that the “we” are nothing more than one possible grouping of energy particles and that when “we” “die”, the energy that was us simply scatters into the next random possibility. I definitely do not believe that “we” go on in any way whatsoever. The likelihood of that energy reconstituting itself in the same exact way twice in a row in an infinite set of possibilities is roughly infinity-to-one. 😀
To tell you the truth, I don’t put much faith in science OR religion! I really like your view irspow. Energy is what everything is made up of. So, your idea makes a lot of sense too. At times, my life seems orderly, almost as if there is reason behind it. Other times, it’s like chaos. I didn’t ask for this illness, yet it hit me. And the illness itself is so unpredictable…one day massive amounts of pain, another day…normalcy. On a good day I have order, reason and calm. On a bad day, I have chaos and I don’t understand why. And people like to say that opposites are what I am talking about, but I disagree. It’s all from the same source, the energy, I mean. There is no beginning and there is no end. It’s what the Natives call the circle of life. There’s no starting point, or stopping point. It’s continuous, everlasting…a continuum. Death isn’t real. It’s not an ending, or a form of nonexistence, or a place of nothingness. All the energy, whether “good” or “bad” simply exist in unison from the same source. I guess what I am tying to say is that opposites don’t really exist either. Therefore, I don’t believe in God vs. Satan…Heaven vs. Hell…Good vs. Evil etc. Don’t know where I was going with this! I’m distracted…
these are all really good and mind-opening comment posts.
I really like ’em.
thanks!
I have never had a negative near death experience. About that I can only speculate.
This is probably because I am not a negative person in spite of my experiences. I think NIki explained it the best. Immediately upon death, you WILL experience what you believe. This is obvious after reading some of the NDE posts on the IANDS site.
My story is really strange, but here goes nothing.
As I said, in December 2000 I was given less than 6 months to live. At that point I had been diagnosed with 8 different auto-immune disorders, and quite honestly had given up the will to live. One night in January 2001, I quite literally crawled to bed. I was in a great deal of pain, physical, emotional and spiritual. I had just been told I was going to die. At the time I was 39 years old and still had a young child at home. Talk about drama. Anyway, once in my bed i couldn’t fall asleep, mostly because I was begging God to end my suffering. I remember praying, “Please God, not one more day! I can’t take one more day.” In order to calm myself I began the relaxation techniques that I had been taught. The next thing I know I hear an enormous rushing in my head, like a speeding train and a flash of light that seemed to fill my brain.
My experience is relatively unimportant because as Niki suggests, our first experience in the next dimension is as unique as we are. I was out of my body for 6 hours(real time). When I came back in I was mad, scared and confused. During my experience I had lost 12 pounds and 2 1/2 inches in height and thought I had come back into the wrong body. I should have known I was in the right body cuz it hurt like hell, but my clothes did not fit, I had to move my seat in the car for the first time ever. So I drove to my friends house, rang the doorbell, and prayed. When she answered I asked her if she recognized me and of course she did. Since that time I continue to change my height all the time. I was 5′ 5 1/2″ at the time of my NDE. Since then I can be anywhere from 5′ 2 1/2″ to 5′ 7″ and it changes in a moment. This has all been documented medically and I was sent for bone scans, xrays, chiropractic appts. etc. and no cause has ever been found. The xray techs had a good laugh about it though since as they said, “We don’t get 40 year old women in here complaining about getting taller.” I only tell you all this so that I can preface my story about my friend Margie. So that you might have some understanding of my state of mind at the time.
Margie was my mom’s best friend. I called her my “other mother” and she called me her own personal psychic. Although I am psychic(we all are), I am not a psychic. Just awake. My mom and Margie were retiring in the same year and both were widowed. They had made great plans to travel together after their retirement. Margie turned 65 in May of 2002 and my mom was to retire in September of the same year. During that year, Margie became fascinated with the subject of death, and frequently asked me questions about my experience. She also shared her own beliefs about what happens when we die. Needless to say our ideas were quite different. I said, “Tell you what Margie. Whichever one of us goes first has to promise to come back and tell the other which one of us was right.” She laughed and said, ” I’m sure it will be me. You’re too young to die.” Ordinarily I would have agreed with her but under the circumstances…..who knew. Three days before my mother was due to retire, Margie died in her sleep, a week after a thorough physical and a clean bill of health. Needless to say my mother was devastated.
The next year my boyfriend gave me a gift certificate for a psychic reading for my birthday in September. Remember, this is exactly a year since Margie died. I had never been to this psychic and wasn’t really interested, but it was free….so….
Before the psychic even starts to explain what she is going to do, she tells me that someone is trying to come through and doesn’t wish to wait. She describes this person and I have no idea who she is talking about. The psychic suggests maybe it is my grandmother since she comes through with the mother energy but is not my mother. Actually my grandmother is still very much alive and fit at the age of 95 and my mother is very much alive as well. Oh well i said, perhaps it’s my father’s mother who I have never met. The psychic says that whoever this woman is she is laughing and laughing and laughing. She thinks the whole thing is hilarious. This woman the psychic tells me says, “I’m almost an angel but not quite cuz I can’t find my wings.” And she continues to laugh. I am still in the dark here, so the psychic says it doesn’t matter it may come to me later but that this woman wants to tell me that I WAS RIGHT! About what I ask? The psychic says she doesn’t know but I’m starting to suspect it might be Margie. The only problem is I don’t know what this wing thing is she is talking about.
The next day I went to my mom’s to help her with something and I ask her, “Is there a story about Margie that has something to do with wings?” My mom laughs and says,”Of course! Don’t you remember Margie’s retirement/birthday party?” I said, “No mom, I wasn’t there remember, I was ill.” So my mother tells me the story.
My mom drives but Margie didn’t. So, on all their adventures my mom drove and Margie navigated. My mom called her her co-pilot. When Margie retired my mom gave her a pair of gold co-pilots wings to wear on their future adventures. So, I told my mom what the psychic had said and then asked her, “What does she mean she is almost an angel,but she can’t find her wings?”
Then my mom just sort of dropped into her chair and started to cry. Apparently Margie was supposed to be buried with her wings. My mom had given them to her daughter Vicki to take to the funeral home but then they went missing and she had to be buried without them. I told her that the wings were unimportant but the message was. 3 weeks later my mom found the wings. I tell you this for validation only because the important part of the message for me was “tell her she was right”.
Suicides quite often have negative death experiences or no”THING”ness. This is because suicide is not allowed. If we manage to destroy our body so we can’t be sent back, we are instead cocooned. Eventually we are counselled and allowed to heal in order to come back and try again only in a different body. As I said I was a suicide in my most recent lifetime(over 600 years ago in real time). Perhaps that was why I had the experience I did because once again I was ready to check out early. And trust me it wasn’t my first suicide attempt but it was definitely my last.
The problem is that our minds survive the death of the physical body. Science has now proven this. So wherever we go, we go with us. lol Does this make me happy? No! It makes me madder than hell cuz I can’t just quit. It also makes me sad for the people who go to all the trouble to successfully commit suicide. They may not have physical pain anymore but no-“thing” has changed. The emotional and spiritual pain goes with us. Trust me. If we can’t solve it here, death is definitely not the answer. Just a reprieve.
I have always been extremely strong willed and tryed to off myself for the first time when I was only 4. Turns out I was merely having a cosmic temper tantrum. lol I always told my kids that anyone who tells them life is fair is a liar.
I looked for my account on the IANDS site and could not find it. I found it less than a year ago by googling a strange term i used in my description but can’t seem to find it again. If you have specific questions I will try and answer them but in the meantime I haven’t given up finding my original post.
I tend to agree with the previous post with the exception of the last paragraph. Our specific type of energy can not create anything other than us. I was told to learn about microcosms, macrocosms and synchronicity during my experience. I was also told that suicide is not an option. Whether it is physical, emotional, or mental it is still suicide and is not to be tolerated.
FYI I am not a Christian and abhor all organized religions, but I love JESUS even though he is not working the same ray as me, he has taught me much. If i had to describe my beliefs at this point i would say I was a Gnostic as Jesus was.
In closing I would like to tell Bobbi that there is no such thing as nothingness. You are on the right path Bobbi. Solve your issues here and you will experience heaven. Even if you don’t it is still better there than here but you won’t get to stay for very long. Find your heaven inside. Like all our fears there is no way out but through. I’m going to do the work here so that when it IS my time I won’t have to come back. I no longer fear death, but rather unfinished business. Death is easy. Living with yourself is a horror. When I return to Source it will hopefully be my last time.
http://www.nderf.org/index2.htm
I just found my NDE post. IT is on Dr. Kenneth Rings website, NDERF. It is near the bottom of the page and my name is Lori M.
50/50 possibility of anything after death, the body which creates the energy, dies the mind hasn’t been proven to exist past physical life as a poster above states.
Weird shitnhappens when in the (Process) of death, just because all the machines ays we are dead, ……………. are we dead ? After hours humans revive after they have been sent to the morgue.
My only wish and hope is that there is an afterlife that allows me to return to make amends behind the scenes, be there when someone I’ve hurt needs the shoulder of a spirit to be in the room to lean on. To be there to here pray, and pray alongside these injured.