To anyone on the outside looking in, I have a good life. A well paid job in which I hold a senior position; a long term partner with whom i have a gorgeous 4 yr old; a nice home in a quiet, cosy community.
But the turmoil inside me is indescribable. That well paid job? I’m close to losing it because my various depression symptoms are impeding my ability. That long term partner? I’m scared to talk to him about how I feel because he just keeps telling me to suck it up and get over it. My gorgeous child? She is the only reason I’m still alive to type this, a fact which often makes me resent her because I want to end it so badly. But I force myself to remain here because I know losing her mummy would scar her for life.
Or would it? Sometimes I think she’d cope, yes she’d wonder where i was but she’s young, in time she’d forget about me and be happy with whoever my partner ended up with. No child should have to put up with someone like me for a mother. I’d be doing her a favor.
As for him, I know he’d be happier with someone else. Someone who actually has a sex drive and doesn’t get panic attacks and is actually good looking and someone he can be proud to be seen with. I’m just a misshapen blob with no redeeming features whatsoever. Nondescript apart from pink hair and piercings, which I’m probably too old for and therefore look stupid with.
Sometimes I want to die so badly I could scream. I honestly don’t know how much longer I can be strong enough not to do it. It’s taking every ounce of strength and will i have just to get up in the morning, and the fact I have to go work because I’m the only wage earner makes it all more difficult.
I’m not looking for validation here. I don’t need someone telling me ‘think of your daughter’ or shit like that. I know all that. The other half of me screams those kind of thoughts at me all the time. I just need to write this all down, to try and understand my own thoughts then maybe I’ll able to tackle them.
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I’m struggling with the same emotions. Years of listening to the mean voice (not a a real voice ) in my head has left me rather frail. So frail that I’m sitting on 3 useless degrees, and too scared to use them to get a decent job. I’m so scared i might fuck up at work or get an anxiety attack in an unsafe place (which is anywhere but home). I’ve sometimes thought that it would be okay if i die, because i don’t have a wife or children, so the only people who would get left behind is my family and friends, and they would survive somehow. But I can think that you are in much worse situation then me. You have a kid to think about. So ya, I’m just gonna say that I see your point and not judge you on that. The last thing we want when writing something on this site is for people to judge us. I wish I had a magic wand to cure us all of these freakn bad feelings and situations. because outside people cant physically see our depression, anxiety and suffering, they find it difficult to comprehend. They are ignorant to our situation and unless they experience it for themselves for a couple of years, they will never get it. I’m so sorry you feel like this. I personally wish I was never here, then nobody would have to get hurt and we never had to go through all of this crap. I hope you will be able to find a way to get some relieve from you pain. Maybe through the help of a therapist of psychiatrist.
Why are you scared to open up to your husband? He can’t say those things everytime to you, really sit down with him and talk it out. So he can perceive and help you go through these emotions. If he can’t or wont do that then you need to find someone who will, like a family member or etc. You have a lot going for yourself, keep your mind occupied with hobbies after work or things to relax you.
It’s amazing to read the same emotions, feelings, and thoughts in all these posts. The only difference is the life situations. Some are young teens who lost a girlfriend or boyfriend. Some have lost jobs or spouses. Some are sick with disabling diseases. Some are young teens who’s parents turn their back on them. Some, like Sorrynotenough, are just depressed even though she has all the outward physical world things that “should” make her happy.
So..what is it that we’re missing here? What is the commons denominator that drags us all into deep suicidal depression. You can’t go running around trying to solve everyone’s situation. Situations vary from person to person and even minute to minute. One minute laughing, next crying. One day happy, next standing on a ledge peering over the edge wanting to jump.
Eckhart Tolle’s book, The Power of Now, talks about Pain Bodies we all have. The only cure we all have is to be in the present moment TOTALLY. Getting out of our heads, stop living life from our “thinking” mind.
I have just 1 question why did you choose to procreate when you have mental issues?
Some of us just have to brood. It’s who we are. Some people are naturally, genetically, physically gifted… others are mentally gifted.
So what it comes down to is that the world our predecessors have built, into which we have been born, facilitates those lives who are born with physical advantages, more than those who are born with mental advantages, but in the lack of physical ones. The smart and successful people almost always have great, healthy, resilient bodies; it takes phenomenal intelligence, combined with ample opportunity, to overcome physical difficulties… but as long as your healthy enough, you can be dirt stupid, and still have a decent life, just from being physically resilient enough to work hard without quitting.
So i’ve noticed this sort of… backwards thinking, which seems to generate various versions of invalid solutions, which are almost always “fantastical” or unrealistic, and they almost always start with something like: “just think differently! but then don’t think too much, just do stuff and you’ll be happy!!” Surely i’m not the only one who sees the contradiction, as well as the fallacy revealed in making such correlations, attributing success to “just will it” or “change your mind,” when in fact, almost all success is heavily dependent upon the physical, and how we are born… features, location, environment, social influence… there’s a lot of involuntary stuff going on around us, even inside us, at all times. The people who seem to think it’s just so easy as “just change your mind,” don’t seem to understand, and likely come from a favorable set of circumstances where the other factors were compatible with such a simple and effective change of mind.
So, sorry, but “change your mind,” is just not enough. We need real solutions to real problems, and guidance on how to accomplish changing what no one seems to want changed, other than the people so deeply afflicted by it. But we’re the only one’s who can figure that out… which leaves us with virtually no assistance, because most of the world wants to continue the way it is. There are a lot of xenophobes out there, who simply fear change. But there are others who simply like the way things are, for them, and aren’t necessarily afraid of change or newness, but are rather afraid of losing their beneficial circumstances, and ending up like those of us who have virtually no recourse.
Being “in the moment,” has its moments… but it’s not an appropriate perpetual solution. Sometimes we must instead remove ourselves from the moment, and choose objectivity over subjectivity… despite the two being ultimately inseparable.
Here’s the hard part: learn to do the right things in the right moments. My approach involves building and refining a set of personal heuristics, which takes most of the analytical burden off the conscious mind, resulting in easier decisions and lower stress. Sometimes heuristics can be exploited, but that’s just one facet of the approach that needs refining. The end goal is to devise a sort of automatic programming for yourself, which allows you to navigate your journey as smoothly and effortlessly as possible.
I learned a bit about a concept called “Wu Wei,” which roughly means “the effortless path.” But it’s kind of an oxymoron, because you don’t want to just go limp and submit to the currents. You want to maintain control, so that you can still choose your direction and responses… but with a thought system that allows you to do so as efficiently, effectively and effortlessly as possible. The irony of this approach is that it begins with endless, perpetual, energy consuming contemplation, and requires a heightened sense of awareness, and a duty to yourself to pay attention to everything you can observe, as closely as possible, so that you can understand things well enough to craft your own programming… so that eventually, you won’t have to think; it will just do what it should, all by itself… kinda like the way Bruce Lee described kung fu. “…you don’t have to ‘hit;’ it hits all by itself.”
What I’m saying is that fucked up people give birth to fucked up children. If they would stop doing that then there would be less fucked up children in the world.
ugh… you’re*
Everyone is fucked up. If everyone stopped giving birth, the problem would be solved, but there would be nobody to appreciate the solution.
There are different degrees of fucked up. I seen some wonderful people with wonderful children. They don’t have bipolar and pretty happy people.
No, evreyone is fucked up. I learned this doing sales, selling vacuum cleaners, and talking to a shitload of people. Everyone is deeply, indescribably fucked up in many different ways, but all of it is just as bad. There are no happy well-adjusted people on this planet, anywhere. Except in little isolated tribal cultures, maybe.
you are wrong now fuck off. you can’t compare mentally ill people to general population.
The general population is mentally ill. I am not wrong, and will not fuck off about this. It’s wishful thinking to believe otherwise. Mental illness, furthermore, can strike anyone, in any genetic circumstance, without warning. It’s not all about the genes.
Prove that you’re not wrong.
Why? So you can disagree with whatever proof I provide you? The world is a fucked up place; look out your fucking window for proof of that.
That’s not a proof that’s your opinion. My opinion is different so you can take your opinion and stick it up yours.
Half of Americans meet the DSM criteria for a whole slew of mental disorders, at least once in their lifetimes. Statistically speaking, one in four people will suffer from a chronic disorder for a larger part of their lives. That’s not opinion, either.
That’s actually from a journal article on lifetime prevalence of mental health disorders, which came to the conclusion that, “About half of Americans will meet the criteria for a DSM-IV disorder sometime in their life, with first onset usually in childhood or adolescence.”
(journal titled, “Lifetime Prevalence and Age-of-Onset Distributions of DSM-IV Disorders in the National Comorbidity Survey Replication”)
The general population is mentally ill, and getting more-so with each generation. And not strictly by genetic factors, either.
Perhaps living within an isolated confinement my whole life has influenced my opinion so much as to its bias rendering it invalid, but many people that I’ve observed and interacted with (outside of those I have met here) seem genuinely happy. Yes, everyone has their ups and downs, but most people are happy enough that they can function properly and have genuine aspires and purpose in life. Mental illnesses would not be a concept if everyone possessed one. I can see how many people would retain symptoms of them, but everything is a symptom of something in the medical world. Being hyperactive does not necessarily mean a person has ADHD despite that being a classical symptom of it. Many people are dumbasses with reasoning abilities akin to a 2 year old’s, which is a symptom of cognitive retardation but are not clinically diagnosed with such.
When people say “everyone is secretly sad” etc. I think it’s more of a projection on their part from constant immersion in negativity whether from themselves or their environment.
Dredd you are a fuck tard. I think everyone has read some of your previous comments on other posts and they are always negative. pls i beg you, find a nice quiet place and go fuck yourself. We are so sick and tired of you you angry little piss ant. please go away. now. leave. this instant. you are using your mental illness as an excuse to be mean to people who are already at their wits end. just go away nobody feels shit for you cause you clearly don’t feel shit for anyone else. ps. i’d be an excellent idea if you did not procreate either…
lorax listen to this *****
Boerseun your opinion does NOT interest me haha now go fuck yourself sir 😀
(Dredd may or may not be one of the individuals I am referencing when speaking about those who are not diagnosed with mental retardation despite displaying classical symptoms of it)
Stendarrs it would be more fun if your name would not give away the way you behave 😀
some people are sad, others are angry.
Am i seeing this correctly? Sads are judging angries for being angry?
All you sads who complain about “being judged,” should take a dose of your own advice: maybe you shouldn’t judge dredd (lulz) for being angry or openly disapproving of so many aspects of the world. Maybe sometimes you have to let others dislike you, and try not to worry about it so much.
:devil’s_advocate:
@Stendarr’s *****: Research shows that a majority of people are suffering from mental illnesses. Whether they’re secretly sad or not is a moot point.
@dredd: What? I’m not even sure what you’re talking about anymore.
@Lorax
Find me some sources?
@CN
Sad people don’t usually impinge upon the lives of others, angry people do which is why it’s easy to become offended and lose empathy and understanding for them.
@SB: see above. I even referenced a peer reviewed journal about it. 😮
@SB: ah, but don’t they?
I’m pretty sure sad people “impinge” upon others’ lives… though perhaps in more indirect and passive ways.
Then again, how are the words of someone with whom you disagree, “impinging” upon you? Or anyone else?
Are you not free to simply disregard them?
I will admit that i find dredd’s comments rather abrasive… but i can’t deny that i’m at least entertained.
Some people are overly harsh, others are overly pitiful.
Then again, i’m also not demanding anything, so if anyone feels like getting worked up over a stranger’s words on the internet, that’s their business. I can’t say i’ve never felt that way myself.
It’s just as easy for a sad person to cause detriment, or prevent benefit, as an angry person. It just manifests in different ways.
“About half of Americans will meet the criteria for a DSM-IV disorder sometime in their life, with first onset usually in childhood or adolescence. Interventions aimed at prevention or early treatment need to focus on youth.”
“sometime in their life” To suffer from a mental illness it needs to be chronic.
~50% is not a majority
“To suffer from a mental illness it needs to be chronic.”
Nope! Even non-chronic illness causes suffering.
Also: “…with first onset usually in childhood or adolescence.”
So, about half of all people qualify as mentally ill, according to the DSM-IV (which is, imo, suspect)… and it USUALLY manifests early.
Extrapolation: about half of all people are obviously mentally ill during childhood or adolescence.
It’s foolish to attempt to trivialize “~50%” just because it’s technically not “the majority.” HALF OF ALL PEOPLE, is a significant demographic, regardless of whether 50% is 51%+. It could be more like 40%, or it could be more like 70%, with lots of instances going unreported. In fact, i’m inclined to believe the percentage is higher than 50%, simply because many people are likely never officially diagnosed.
Then again, i think the DSM-IV represents the excessive medicalization of the human condition, so lots of what the DSM-IV might define as “mental illness,” might not be defined as such in the DSM-V and beyond. There’s a big thing about making significant changes in the way mental illness is both defined and diagnosed (according to the committee tasked with assessing and maintaining the relevance and validity of the DSM, “in light of recent evidence and studies”).
In other words: somewhere after DSM-IV, a bunch of people said “wait a minute… i think this is probably wrong.” And so they set out to cut the BS out of it and make it more valid, part of which is attempting to minimize the “medicalization of the human condition” aspect, and attempt to better distinguish between what is “just normal” and “actually an illness.”
and! it goes both ways: there has been a lot of “medicalizing of what is normal,” as well as plenty of “normalizing what is actually a medical problem.”
There’s plenty of times when people are simply told: “oh that’s just normal!” when it’s really that the person is mentally ill.
Likewise, there’s been plenty of times when people are simply told: “that person’s crazy!!!” when really, it’s just normal.
50% is a relative majority, and enough to fit the generalization that the public at large suffers from mental illness. Even subtracting half of that number would represent a huge chunk of the human population, enough to merit the generalization at 25%. The DSM has its flaws, but when it comes to the two big-hitting criteria within that number (anxiety and depression), it’s hard to argue with it. The definitions in the DSM-IV for those two conditions seem relatively unambiguous.
lorax, good to see u back, man..i’ve missed your wit
wrt subject at hand, listen to the following podcast:
rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/show/rs98-jerome-wakefield-on-psychiatric-diagnoses-science-or-ps.html
the interviewee is a psychiatrist and professor of The Conceptual Foundations of Psychiatry at NYU in nyc
he authored the book (100 % pertinent to this thread), “The Loss of Sadness: How Psychiatry Transformed Normal Sorrow into Depressive Disorderâ€
I had a psych doctor once who took antidepressants, himself, for about 6 months due to his wife divorcing him – some might think that’s normal sorrow and anxiety from an obvious rough patch in his life, but that anxiety and sorrow made it harder for him to function, and antidepressants helped him get through it. That’s generally how I’d view it – if it makes your life more difficult to live, and some medication can help relieve the problem, then that’s a valid choice. It’s forced medication that I’d be against, except in the case of severe psychoses.
Dredd: Fuck you asshole. Don’t need your judgemental fuckwittage here. Trollish ****.
And I could remove your comments but I won’t, so I can remember what a tosser you are.
50% of us are really fucking sad at some point in our lives. HOLY SHIT.
the more interesting figure is how many of us stay that way.