Just give me one rational reason why suicide is so bad. I don’t support suicide but I’m not against it either, I’m a fence sitter looking to take a side. 3 Strikes and you’re out, batter up!
So say youre playing a game of monopoly and youre really losing. Like, no property, in jail, no money – games going really badly, but who knows at some point you may have a stroke of luck and not lose so badly. Who knows, you might even win! If you flip the board and give up, youll never find out how bad or good it would have ended. Thats it. Its over. and the rest of the players on the board have to pick up the pieces and carry on as best as they can, while looking at your empty area you were sitting and wondering what would have happened if you were still sitting there.
Alright let’s say the game is going fine or better yet you’re winning, you just get bored or already did everything you care to do. We have no way of knowing what happens after death, there might be something comparable to heaven or hell or maybe your consciousness simply ceases to exist. People will do what they do regardless of the people around them, yes it will have an effect on those people but they move on. That was not a very good counter argument for your point on the people left behind but I myself have not figured out a good counter argument for it and I’m sure that one exists.
Heaven or at least they way people describe/picture it sounds awfully boring.
I doubt it has a network connection too, so it actually sounds like hell more than anything.
Hell has fire and everything and lava and it’s probably way too warm there. And all the demons running around doesn’t really seem much fun either (at least for humans or .. whatever you’ll be after you die).
If you just cease to exist, well, you won’t be doing much either.
I wouldn’t care about the people left behind so i don’t even mention that.
But, reasons for YOU to stick around i guess could be many.
Music, food, friends, games, movies. Any hobby or things you like doing, things you enjoy in life – and you won’t be able to do once you’re gone.
Monopoly is a game of mostly chance and luck since you never know what the dice roll gets you.
So even if you’re bored or did everything, things can change, and there’s always the part of managing the places you own and waiting until someone lands on them.
If the game goes boring anyway, you can always start a new one again. Or play another game.
Suicide is neither good nor bad. It’s a decision you have to make yourself. Voluntary exit from life.
It’s not known whether it’s a salvation or not. Your personality(de facto you) will be cast into oblivion not to be witnessed by anyone ever again. It might prove quite difficult to make yourself overstep the instincts of your body, prepare for suicide and sever your bonds with the world so you could leave in peace. Whatever the decision you make, may you find happiness. 🙂
The act of suicide has been taught to us that it is bad. Back in ancient Greece poison was kept available for anyone who asked for it, they had to approach a Magistrate however for it.
Battling with the idea of suicide has been around for as long as time itself. The notion of it being “bad” came about when laws of morality were taught (ie. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc). Granted that the notion of suicide may have had negative connotations before laws of morality but was likely seen as being negative by the people that were left behind and had to cope with the loss.
I applaud you sir or ma’am, you’ve hit it right on the mark. I’m happy to say that this is, despite the question I posed, exactly the kind of response I was hoping for. The world we live in shapes our ideologies, morals, etc… and the world is very different than it ever was and it will be likely be even more different in the years to come. You’ll never know how much I needed you to say this, thank you.
I believe that the notion of suicide is becoming less and less about religion…. I believe that society in general is shifting away from religious convention toward a more liberated state; there is a fundamental shift towards secularism. The question and debate about suicide will be around for a long time…. the footings are there however for suicide to be more up to the individual with many more countries adopting euthanasia (Canada legalized February 2015). Granted that requirements are in place to be eligible, it is really just a matter of time I think for a reversion back to what the ancient Greeks had, the ability to choose of one’s accord regardless of meeting established requirement paradigms. The more secular societies become the more likely a further shift into suicide being more socially acceptable. It won’t happen overnight and likely won’t be around in what could be 100s of years out (if we haven’t destroyed ourselves by then anyhow). If you don’t believe me, think about where we were not even 200 years ago…. we were burning “witches” at the stake.
It’s funny how religion has played a part in casting us backward in our own self-determination; having the ability to choose owns destiny is arguably the ultimate form of freedom, one freedom that remains elusive to the masses as it is reserved only for some (terminally ill).
Mark_1981 summarizes it quite nicely, and as I stated in my reply to him the whole point of this was to see how many people in today’s society understand it as that.
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So say youre playing a game of monopoly and youre really losing. Like, no property, in jail, no money – games going really badly, but who knows at some point you may have a stroke of luck and not lose so badly. Who knows, you might even win! If you flip the board and give up, youll never find out how bad or good it would have ended. Thats it. Its over. and the rest of the players on the board have to pick up the pieces and carry on as best as they can, while looking at your empty area you were sitting and wondering what would have happened if you were still sitting there.
Alright let’s say the game is going fine or better yet you’re winning, you just get bored or already did everything you care to do. We have no way of knowing what happens after death, there might be something comparable to heaven or hell or maybe your consciousness simply ceases to exist. People will do what they do regardless of the people around them, yes it will have an effect on those people but they move on. That was not a very good counter argument for your point on the people left behind but I myself have not figured out a good counter argument for it and I’m sure that one exists.
Heaven or at least they way people describe/picture it sounds awfully boring.
I doubt it has a network connection too, so it actually sounds like hell more than anything.
Hell has fire and everything and lava and it’s probably way too warm there. And all the demons running around doesn’t really seem much fun either (at least for humans or .. whatever you’ll be after you die).
If you just cease to exist, well, you won’t be doing much either.
I wouldn’t care about the people left behind so i don’t even mention that.
But, reasons for YOU to stick around i guess could be many.
Music, food, friends, games, movies. Any hobby or things you like doing, things you enjoy in life – and you won’t be able to do once you’re gone.
Monopoly is a game of mostly chance and luck since you never know what the dice roll gets you.
So even if you’re bored or did everything, things can change, and there’s always the part of managing the places you own and waiting until someone lands on them.
If the game goes boring anyway, you can always start a new one again. Or play another game.
Suicide is neither good nor bad. It’s a decision you have to make yourself. Voluntary exit from life.
It’s not known whether it’s a salvation or not. Your personality(de facto you) will be cast into oblivion not to be witnessed by anyone ever again. It might prove quite difficult to make yourself overstep the instincts of your body, prepare for suicide and sever your bonds with the world so you could leave in peace. Whatever the decision you make, may you find happiness. 🙂
The act of suicide has been taught to us that it is bad. Back in ancient Greece poison was kept available for anyone who asked for it, they had to approach a Magistrate however for it.
Battling with the idea of suicide has been around for as long as time itself. The notion of it being “bad” came about when laws of morality were taught (ie. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc). Granted that the notion of suicide may have had negative connotations before laws of morality but was likely seen as being negative by the people that were left behind and had to cope with the loss.
I applaud you sir or ma’am, you’ve hit it right on the mark. I’m happy to say that this is, despite the question I posed, exactly the kind of response I was hoping for. The world we live in shapes our ideologies, morals, etc… and the world is very different than it ever was and it will be likely be even more different in the years to come. You’ll never know how much I needed you to say this, thank you.
I believe that the notion of suicide is becoming less and less about religion…. I believe that society in general is shifting away from religious convention toward a more liberated state; there is a fundamental shift towards secularism. The question and debate about suicide will be around for a long time…. the footings are there however for suicide to be more up to the individual with many more countries adopting euthanasia (Canada legalized February 2015). Granted that requirements are in place to be eligible, it is really just a matter of time I think for a reversion back to what the ancient Greeks had, the ability to choose of one’s accord regardless of meeting established requirement paradigms. The more secular societies become the more likely a further shift into suicide being more socially acceptable. It won’t happen overnight and likely won’t be around in what could be 100s of years out (if we haven’t destroyed ourselves by then anyhow). If you don’t believe me, think about where we were not even 200 years ago…. we were burning “witches” at the stake.
It’s funny how religion has played a part in casting us backward in our own self-determination; having the ability to choose owns destiny is arguably the ultimate form of freedom, one freedom that remains elusive to the masses as it is reserved only for some (terminally ill).
Let me ask you what you feel, underneath the curiousity for others opinions.
Mark_1981 summarizes it quite nicely, and as I stated in my reply to him the whole point of this was to see how many people in today’s society understand it as that.
I post first; read through comments after. And that is exactly what happened here.