This is my first post on this board, but i’ve been reading peoples posts for a few months now. Â I have been depressed, with thoughts of suicide, since i was about 12 years old. Â I am a 19 year old male. Â For the same period of time, i have suffered from crippling insomnia brought on by an inability to shut off my thoughts at night. Â Most of these thoughts are about death, and I have reached a decent conclusion on what i find life and death to be. Â Following are some of my thoughts. Â Wondering if anyone else feels the same way. Â Also, this is not for anyone who believes in god. Â I’ve already decided for myself that there is no god, so my thoughts are reminiscent of that belief.
If God does not exist, then what happens when we die?  Without an afterlife, where does our consciousness go as it fades from our body?  Do we return to a pre-birth state, blissfully unaware of the existence of even the universe itself?  Or is it that consciousness cannot even become entirely diminished?  Does time distort as we die, turning our final second of life into an endless eternity?  It is known that when we die, our bodies release a chemical called DMT into the brain.  DMT is often used as a recreational drug, and is the most powerful hallucinogen known to man.  Like many other psychedelic drugs, it distorts and prolongs the feeling of the passage of time (for more info on the drug, heres the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine).  So it seems obvious, at least to me, that our mind prolongs the time that passes by as we die.  For all we know, the last second of our lives can feel longer than our entire lives before it.  To me, this means that everything that we ever feel and accomplish is done in vain.
The fact that our lives end means to me that our lives are ultimately meaningless. Â Nothing we ever do matters. Â Your friends and family don’t matter. Â The entire human race doesn’t matter, because it is inevitable that one day it will perish. Â While this nihilistic view on existence has been the greatest obstacle of my life, it is also my greatest comfort. Â Knowing that nothing matters means that there is no reason to ever be upset about anything. Â The people who cause you trouble, and the people you strive so hard to please, will die just the same as you. Â Knowing this relieves me of all anxiety about anything in this world. Â This makes me free, in the truest sense of the word. Â I am not bound to any destiny; i can do whatever i please with my life. Â If i die tomorrow it will be no different from if i were to die in 60 years. Â I end up in the same state of being – the state of nothingness known as death.
So if my life is so trivial and meaningless, then why do i go on living? Â Why do i bother, knowing that all of my troubles are for nothing?
Because, why not? Â What is the point of killing myself if i already know that i will eventually die anyway? Â Why not experience all that life has to give me, because life is a very rare thing. Â I don’t believe that it’s something any of us will experience ever again. Â Any reason for suicide seems so silly to me. Â Human society is such an absurd, nonsensical thing. Â We conform to all of these rules and regulations which, in the cosmic scheme of things, are entirely random and pointless. Â Instead of physical suicide, i would much rather commit “social suicide”. Â For me this would mean taking all the money that i have, traveling, forgetting about all the people in my life, and experiencing life in it’s purest, most basic form. Â Only when i feel i have lived my life to the fullest extent will i be content with killing myself (Suicide is my preferred way to die).
This philosophy i have is known as Existential Nihilism. Â It is an extremely bleak outlook on life, and many people who first start to experience it become more depressed than theyve ever been in their lives. Â It made me feel incredibly empty, and emotionally, i was completely hollow. Â This unbearable emptiness was what i felt for many months. Â Many people would refer to what i went through as an existential crisis, though i don’t think crisis is the right word for it. Â “Awakening” seems more suitable to me. Â The emptiness i felt came from my realization that life was pointless. Â It wasn’t until i did LSD for the first time that i realized that the emptiness that i felt was actually freedom. (By the way, taking drugs such as acid can be an extremely uplifting part of a persons life. Â It can also make a person go completely insane. Â While i do not recommend acid for everyone, for some people, i do. Â If you want to know more about my experience with acid or anything or the sort, please let me know)
This freedom made me realize that it was up to me to create meaning and purpose in my life, knowing that no all powerful god would do that for me.  And this philosophy is probably the reason I am alive today.  The only things that matter to me are the things that I allow to matter to me.  I have complete control over every single aspect of my life.  Once you accept the freedom that is inherent within yourself, you’ll come to realize that nothing is ever worth being upset over.
Sorry if my post was a bit rambly, i’m not all that good at organizing my thoughts.  Some philosophers to check out who are way better at explaining this kind of stuff are…
Jean-Paul Sartre
Friedrich Nietsche
Dostoevsky
Albert Camus
and Martin Heidegger
I hope that some of you will find the freedom that I found, and enjoy the ability to live life for what it truly is-something that we will most likely never experience again.
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Wow. Just tonight I spent a couple of hours reading about Nihilism, Existentialism, Quantum Physics, and other philosophies that try to explain what provides meaning in a persons life. Why we’re here, what’s the intrinsic value in our existence on this earth. You’re right, a lot of those thinkers from the past speculate that we define for ourselves what makes life worth living. We can’t be happy expecting to find fulfillment/meaning from external sources. You figure out for yourself what it’s going to take to make your life worthwhile.
What happens when you die? I stumbled across this quote tonight in my online travels:
“After your death you will be what you were before your birth.”
— Arthur Schopenhauer
Peace
Before I say anything, I have to first say that the Internet is actually probably the greatest thing ever happened, since I too often got drowned in exploring its vast seemingly endless, unlimited world of it, with so many enriching info, knowledges, perspectives, and even for knowing the Truths.
And secondly, it’s like I’ve just wrote in the previous thread (right before this brilliant thread), I too often ponder a lot about the meaning of life and its existence, and browse around looking for what’s really “out there” beyond our limited, physical, earthly-sensed human body,..and the answers seriously startled me, and made me somewhat fascinated in awe, bottom-line: the universe and even our world contains so many mysteries & amazing things than we initially ever thought of.
It’s just very sad of how ‘society’ in large expect us to be chained down to a 9-to-5 office cubicle (or classroom) for the rest of our life, becoming merely *only* as a money-making machine/robot. and that’s what considered “normal” these days….how very sad it is!
As regarding death and what’s beyond it itself, I’ve somewhat found more console in admitting that we don’t know, and that there’s so much more that we don’t know, being such a still-limited human being.
There however exists several interesting theories, based from the OBE (Out of Body) experiences, Astral Travel/Projection, NDE (Near-Death experiences), spiritual gurus, even quantum physics (as lucy4 mentioned above rightly). and honestly this is the part that still able to makes me feel excited, as part of human beings, to keep KNOWING, and LEARNING for more knowledge, and ‘hidden’ truths about our universe & its vastness!
I personally now feel somewhat a HUGE comfort in this old & wise adage/saying: “the more you live, the more you learn”, and it’s certainly proves to be true in my case. I could care shit less about society & even my own parents’ “standard/normal” expectations,…but what I want and really still & will always treasure is the BEAUTY & WONDERS & MYSTERY of this Earth, and beyond, and even on our existence.
To keep learning about these things (& connecting with other people who’re also interested in these stuff, like you both here for example)….is one enough HUGE good reason to still keeping me alive.
I hope when you lose your foothold, you don’t turn to lsd to regain it.
When u die. Your brain releases DMT. “the dream drug” so basicly once you finally do cross the line from life and step into death… your basicly going into a dream… now I think that if the person was aware they were dying, depending on what there idea of what the afterlife was. The dying individual imagines heaven (or hell if that’s where they beleive there going when they die) and basicly builds it from the ground up in every detail from what they pictured it to look like. In this sense everyone would basicly goto their idea of what the perfect heaven for them was. Maybe u meet all of the people that u knew in life that died at the pearly gates as soon as u get there… maybe even all the people still alive are there, its just a dream anyways so its only what u perseive it to be… so when you die u goto your idea of the perfect heaven. Shang-ri-la I think is the word for it…
And side note… iv smoked DMT… and its very intense lol but I was aware of time… but it does only last for ten minutes tho… but deaths by far the most tramatic experience a person can ever go through so nobody can tell u what that would do to a persons mental… only a dead person could explain what deaths like.
Those are just my 2 cents… I’m not a philosopher
O yea…
Last week I decided that I was finally going to take my life… I almost did. But I broke down and couldn’t pull the trigger, talked to someone close to me who “talked me off the ledge”… so that night I couldn’t sleep at all (usually I would try an force myself to) but I honestly didn’t give a Fuck anymore… after all I almost killed myself… I could have been dead. I completely lost all inhibitions, things that would have bothered me before didn’t even faze me even the slightest. I didn’t give a Fuck about anything. Completely just shut off every single thing that usually. Would stress me out really bad… I ended up staying up the entire night and next day, smoked like 3 packs of ciggarettes, I told people exactly what I really thought, when I was asked something without sugar coating shit (which def isn’t like me at all)… I know those things aren’t really that outrageous sounding… but there way outta my personality, just things I would never really do because I think to much I guess… but what I gained that night… it was a feeling that I’ve never in my life felt before. To truly NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING 🙂 I completely let go… I think I subconsciously realized that… everybody dies. There’s no escaping it… time waits for no man, death waits for all men. And even tho I wasn’t going to die for a while… what’s the difference? In 120 years from now, every single person that’s on earth alive RITE NOW will be dead. EVERYONE SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET. Millions and millions…. but the feeling that I felt wasn’t bad or negative in any way. It was Fucking amazing!!! Honestly life changing for me. It has now since gone… I’m back to trying to sleep at somewhat normal times… trying to cut back and not smoke my self to death with menthol flavored death sticks…
Who knows maybe I forced myself to have a near death experience when i put my 380. Barrel in my mouth and had every intention of pulling the trigger?
Wow.
And I have a story for u guys about out of body experiences as well 🙂 lol… but rite now I need a smoke, and some sleep… meh… its already 8 am Here :/
Numbers never end. You can keep on counting until there isn’t enough space left to add any more digits. But there will still be more numbers after that.
I like this analogy to describe the concept of infinity. Forever & ever. I can’t say with any degree of certainty what happens to your consciousness after you die. (Plenty of other theologians, philosophers, prophets, etc already have already covered this topic).
When you die there is a transfer of energy, your physical remains transform into ashes or dust. Depending on the method of disposal.
But what about your consciousness? Is there a transfer of energy there? Can the inner essence of being also transcend this mortal life, (if such a thing exists), and continue to exist as an alternate form of energy?
If you use math as a model to try and understand “reality”, then the answer is yes. Just like numbers never end, and you can keep dividing numbers in half non-stop, the transfer of energy can keep perpetuating itself infinitely.
I guess the main problem here would be proving that any sort of consciousness persists after the physical body has stopped functioning.
Maybe it’s just not something we’re programmed to know during our time here on Earth. If everybody was aware that they’re just living in a temporary state that will soon be transformed into another one…then yeah, suicide makes perfect sense if you can trade up. We would probably all want our consciousness to arrive at a destination that’s better than this one. Even if that place is Nothingness.
About your LSD awakening: A good friend of mine recently got back from a Ayahuasca retreat in Peru. She went into the Amazon rainforest and drank the sludgy brew concocted from jungle ingredients. The primary hallucinogenic agent is DMT. She told me that she will never be the same.
She tripped hard, and puts it in her top #3 of all time best experiences as a human being on this earth. How much of it “real” vs. how much is just the “Spirit Vine” talking, I dunno. If you check out Erowid.com it’s a great spot for testimonials from other psychonauts. “Explorers of the Mind”.
Hasta
Just want to say this is still a beautiful topic that I can truly resonate somehow (also with all the comments here), even after these past 2 days…it makes me thinking & pondering about meaning of life & Existence real hard…and I like thinking.
I wish all human beings on this planet would also *think* even just a half from what u guys posted here…then this world probably wouldn’t be such a big, huge load of mess.
I highly recommend the book “The Denial Of Death” by ERnest Becker. wikipedia gives a pretty good synopsis of what its about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_Death. Basically, it says that all of human society is a reaction to the fact that most people believe themselves to be eternal. If people thought more about death in a manner outside religion and believing in an afterlife, the world would be an incredibly different place