When people use alcohol, marijuana, heroin, cocaine, (lean/sizzurp/codeine/etc), meth, and prescriptions to cope they are put in rehab centers or jail to stop their actions. (Yes the obvious is that most of those are illegal). They are told they should be sober and rational to decide how to live their lives.
Yet if one has soberly and rationally decided to end one’s life because one is tired of going through things, then one is told that they have a ‘mental issue’ and need a bevy of prescribed drugs to set them right. Many no safer on the body in the long term than illegal drugs and alcohol. And many times these drugs are switched around for most of the person’s life so they can keep ‘surviving’.
Because for some reason being able to endure and suffer is the de facto ‘rational’ way to be according to most of society everywhere. Obviously according to them no matter what happens to a person life is ALWAYS worth living.  I wonder if Christopher Reeve (RIP) felt that way being paralyzed the way he did. Wish I could have got him somewhere private and asked him.
My friend Robert had what would seem to be the ‘perfect life’ according to people outside himself.yet he was tired of living. Tired of grinding. Tired of having to be concerned for others. Tired of just the intricacies of daily life. And he decided to leave. There are those that would say Rob was obviously disturbed. But if you spoke to Rob and knew him then one knows he was of sound mind. He just felt like there was no point anymore. I should have left with him. We hung out and gamed/movied/musiced for a whole weekend a few days before he left.
Why is one called a criminal when one kills another but crazy when one wants to kill themselves? Murdering others is accepted as a bad decision but the choice to murder oneself is always a matter of brain malfunction. Except for serial killers and they get listed as crazy as well because it is multiple people.
Yet a dude who kills his ex girlfriend because she dumped him, or a woman who kills her husband because of his infidelity are not crazy at all. Because they would not have done so under ‘normal’ circumstances. Yet the mental health community medicates and locks up people who want to leave or die because they have been victims of rape, molestation, abuse, bullying etc.
I’d say those who kill others are the real insane people. Because they are too undisciplined to control their anger enough not to harm someone else. They get angry and decide they should take another’s life. Therapy and drugs should be given to them as well so they can get their minds right.
End rant.
16 comments
Man’s logic is whacked. Men and women are sent off to war and it’s okay for killing to happen there but the assisting of someone who has rationally decided that is what they want is a crime….ya., it’s all good!
I agree so much with this. However I believe I know the reason…
If it wasn’t advertised as crazy to kill yourself, how many people do you think would be doing it each day?
Very interesting post well thought through so where does that leave you my friend?
First off, Im offended that softsoul is mocking our us government for killing..comparing that to someone who wants to die as a crime. First off, our military fights for our freedom so that you have a right to even speak. If we did not have them..our world would be crazy. You should be happy you live in the United States..or do you? As for committing suicide..it is only a crime against yourself but you would be hurting all the people you left behind that really care for you. If you kill someone else..you are a murderer. If you help..then its manslaughter..possibly murder as well. I only believe in killing myself or having help killing myself if I was dying of a severe illness that was incurable to the point where it causes me to no longer being able to speak and tell people how I’m feeling. That will be a choice we all have to make one day..whether its family, friends or ourselves. If we think about how we are going to die or what would be better than that will never happen so why think about it in the first place. Only live your life and if your put in that situation then yes you should know what you want..but decisions change everyday. God will judge..don’t act like you are God!
@chrissie I don’t think soft soul is mocking anything. Fighting and killing for “freedom” is still killing. Also not every military action is done for freedom. I don’t think his/her criticism is even specific to the USA’s but more so to the concept of war. The fact that people killing each other for country regardless of which country is accepted is fucked up. @U. N. Its funny you wrote this because I’ve been thinking about drugs. I’ve never been a druggie but because of my depression I’ve been thinking about them. Like maybe if I go back to smoking weed or get “lean” It’ll be better for me to cope @ life. I’ve been completely sober most of my life and I can’t really function. I know that’s not what this post is about per se but its what I’ve been thinking about.
Don’t mind Chrissie. By her account, we wouldn’t be here if we accepted Jesus and voted Republican. You know, Chrissie, I’m talking specifically at you now, this moment. I thought before I was rash and I apologized. No, I was right the first time. You really really do believe the UTTER BULLSHIT I’ve seen you judgmentally foist onto people in pain. WHY THE HELL ARE YOU EVEN HERE, ANYWAY CHRISSIE?
I cant stand religion it only causes wars in the first place. i am an atheist and i respect everyones right to their own beleifs without judgement…christians always seem to be more judgemental in my view each to their own less preaching…
@ kno 1 …what you said thumbs up
First of all, I believe in Jesus Christ as our personal savior. Religion does not start wars..stupid people do. Just as I own a gun but don’t like guns myself..pretty stupid to own one, yet I only need a gun for protection. That is what our military are for..they are your protection..they are not doing it for themselves. Sure, everyone has there own opinions. I myself have been a republican, I have been a democrat. I no longer put myself in a category. I would vote but my head agrees on both sides.I find no one person is absolutely right except God. I have no reason to even want to judge you for your religion. That is definitely not my reason for being here. I have so much love inside me for people that find love to be hard. Yes, I have my bad days..frustrations with why people say one thing and do another mostly. If your asking why I’m on this site, then its because ive been there and I don’t want to go back. Ive experienced death a lot in my life.I’m sad for people with this pain because it is not your pain, my pain but it is the pain. Every tear that someone cries is a pearl they will receive in heaven.
@ softsoul … so true
@countingdown … probably more still it would be their choice… and not someone else choosing for them ….
@molly woppit …. after I save enough for my few months of gaming, junk food, and cheap hookers on a 24 hour basis I am out of here. Been celibate for 10 years and off weed for about 19. Time to party. and yes a certain degree of religious belief can cause people to hurt others and make war because it allows no other choice.
@chrissie … the U.S. is just one of the best of a bad batch and it is failing …. and having worked for government I know for a fact that a lot of military action is for reasons other than freedom… and many soldiers know that too…. sorry I refuse to endure life for someone else’s feelings…..and you are welcome to have you own limits but no right to tell anyone else… as far as God , I respect yours and others right to believe but there is no scientific evidence enough for me to follow a deity
I do wish you the best though
@kno1…. believe me… I have though about going back to the ganaja as well… cannot because of employment reasons
@porphyrous … cut her some slack man, coming from a religious/military family I’m used to that sort of thinking… that faith/belief is pretty strong and carries them through…..
I don’t see the U.S. failing at all..if people are failing, its because they are not trying hard enough. Like I said..you get rewarded for kindness you do for others. I would love to know what you mean by a lot of military action is for reasons other than freedom? U.N. Owen..you are being very defensively as if ive attacked you in some way. Ive never attacked anyone or have I tried changing your mind about anything. Ive only explained how I see and how I believe. Its just the same as if you told me you seen a ghost or you were robbed while at the store. I have a choice whether to believe you or not. I know that it is hard for some people to believe but unless your there you may have a hard time believing. Honestly, ive seen many things and ive wondered if I was crazy for seeing them..afraid to tell people in fear they might not believe me. But I did finally speak out and there are so many people that can and have that it really confirms your not crazy. Its not like it happens all the time but Ive read the Bible, I pray and one night I asked God to confirm that he was there for me..the following day I was taking a nap on the couch..I saw out my window the clouds and trees blending together..and no I was not on drugs or was I drinking. I was really freaked out but there was this calm feeling and everything was beautiful..anyways gods face came out of the sky..very huge and as much as id like to say there was something he said to me..I cant but I know that it was him. That was probably the most important memory I have..but there has been other things as well. Like when you have no money and out of the blue..someone comes to you with some..not knowing you needed it. There is so many reasons to believe. Scientific reasoning..how can trillions of genes simply appear without a mother cell or no prior life? That’s all the proof you need..God doesn’t have to prove nothing..you have to prove yourself to God.
@chrissie … I do not see where I was defensive at all. Just responding in kind.
Politicians and those who support them press wars for reasons other than the
freedoms of the citizens of this country. Some of it is obvious other you would have to research.
If you feel like people not trying hard enough is the only reason they fail then so be it. I disagree but not going to debate it.
Again, I respect yours and other believers right to God.
Since from my perspective gods do not exist in my life, I owe them nothing.
I used to be religious. Was raised that way. Asked for one small thing that could have actually made my life a lot easier. Just for a certain thing not to happen.
And it still happened and added to the ruination of my life. That even along with scientific and rational thinking prevents me from giving credence to any gods’ existence unless they come down here right in front of my face in person and do something that humans cannot.
I do not mean to sound contentious towards you chrissie. You seem to mean well.
But your words belie what you claim. With your posts you seem to be preaching somewhat. And you are free to do so. But not everyone will be convinced.
Good luck and I hope God continues to bless you.
Cheers.
Un owen you are very gracious i like that in a person and respectful but firm-i like that too im also ex military as ive said before but im from a little country where the cops dont even have guns-our military do but apart from our small army none of the other services really practise so it would beca turkey shoot if we were invaded apart from about 40 sas guys,so you own a gun chrissey that surprises me kind of a contradiction really..anyway this isnt about you chrissey its un owens thread and all i have to say is each to their own im not here to judge you buddy neither is someone elses god i hope that the month of doing everything that makes you happy makes you want to stick around-i hope it does.i used to smoke a huge amount of pot when i was younger probably why im bipolar if i was honestbwith myself.by what you have written to myself and others you show your intellegence it would be a shame to loose a person like you… Im just sayin
Oh and i believe in evolution haha i had an amazing discussion with some momans who came a knocking havent seen one since i think we were stoned and we laughed so hard at their reaction they ran for their bikes i still smile when i think of them
What did you ask for and how did you ask? I will pray for you all! Ive never lied..I have no reason to lie. Ive asked for a lot of things too but ive not got everything. Somethings cannot be given because he is our father and a father has reasons for everything. God already knows what will happen next. Don’t blame him for terrible things that happen because he is always there when someone else is not.
“Man’s logic is whacked. Men and women are sent off to war and it’s okay for killing to happen there but the assisting of someone who has rationally decided that is what they want is a crime….ya., it’s all good!”
man’s logic a.k.a. normal people logic ..
I’ve come to believe man’s logic is mostly based on fear of death: we -must- strive to survive since we don’t reallly know what happens next (even if we don’t believe in the value of life)
imo, life drive & death drive are 2 ends of the same spectrum .. the majority of people are found on the life side .. why is it that when someone is on the death side, he should be assisted/fixed to aspire to live ?
self-inflicted death will never be a valid option to some .. that’s until those people have to face soul-crushing experiences and have their self-righteous bubbles burst