Yeah … the word “sometimes” kinda covers that … however, i find more often than not … when it doesn’t seem that easy, the roadblock are usually self-imposed
… fyi … the word “usually” covers THAT thought too 😉
I agree with Baal Zebub and with the premise that in the cases that it is ineffective the reasons are self imposed.
No amount of perspective can change reality.
I agree with Baal Zebub and disagree with the premise that in the cases that it is ineffective the reasons are self imposed.
No amount of perspective can change reality.
Thanks for proving the point … YOU see her as not dancing … she “SEES” herself as dancing and as beautiful .. regardless of what YOU think … and YOU can’t take that from her
Besides … just because she isn’t “dancing” in a way that your closed and narrow mind defines … does NOT mean she isn’t “dancing” at all … ever seen wheelchair basketball? would you say they “aren’t playing basketball”?
Your brain can’t see it so it IS your own internal roadblock
Seeing yourself as dancing is not the same as dancing.
And in that photo she is not dancing.
and I have seen whellchair basketball but it does not support your point because she sees herself as standing and dancing.
And after her fantasy when she has to come back to reality she will realize that she is neither on her feet or dancing.
As a coping mechanism for it’s purpose it works for those who choose to use it.
Still it is delusion just like anyrthing else that is not actual reality.
And I have no internal roadblocks, I understand her situation very well.
But I threw off delusions with Santa Claus, religion, and similar long ago.
And rather than her focus on fantasy I would urge her and others to speak on their itation so we can find a real world solution so she can actually dance.
Prosthetic legs, stem cell research, and/or the new exoskeleton that a couple of guys at U.C, Berkeley gave to a wheelchair bound college student so he could walk for graduation.
Hey All,
Gonna have to agree with Dawg on this one i’m afraid. When I watched a clip that was posted the other day by Morgan and friends…I was treated to the Moonlight Sonata….I love this song. But my piano playing days are over…arthritis and other issues. But when I listened to the music….I was playing again….literally at an invisible keyboard. And I got almost the exact same joy and emotion from hearing it played as playing it myself. I can still hear the emotion of the music even if I have to play it on my computer instead of my upright grand. I’m still playing….if only in my memory….as real as yesterday…..ahhhhh….another perk of the aging process…..wait….you’ll understand some day I’m sure.
We never really grow up….we just learn how to behave….atleast in public…sometimes
Wikipedia: Dance is an art form that generally refers to movement of the body, usually rhythmic and to music, used as a form of expression, social interaction or presented in a spiritual or performance setting
Dictionary.com: Dance: to move one’s feet OR BODY, or both, rhythmically in a pattern of steps, especially to the accompaniment of music.
Merriam-Webster: Dance:
1. to engage in or perform a dance
2. to move or seem to move up and down or about in a quick or lively manner
three definitions, only on reference to “feet” – and hat was as an “option” … I will concede the point on “standing” which is obvious – but was not your original argument and i’m sure a person in a wheelchair is not delusional to think she is actually “standing” … however – she IS dancing and she FEELs beautiful so she could FEEL like she is standing … one’s perception of one’s self can shift their attitude wither way – I have seen truly stunning women who could be supermodels think they are ugly, and act accordingly.
and you again have proven that the roadblocks are your own: “As a coping mechanism for it’s purpose it works for those who CHOOSE to use it.”
since you CHOOSE not to use it, you refuse to feel it … your CHOICE is YOUR roadblock.
Some people believe God is as real as you sitting at your computer – just because YOU see it as “delusional” does not make it so (though I do agree with you regarding religion) … but that is mine and your CHOICE – and since neither you or I can definitively prove it false, we can’t say for sure that the believer is truly delusional.
Go ahead and prove me right again regarding the “dancing” in the face of accepted definitions from three respected sources …
… or CHOOSE to open your mind to the possibility that everything does NOT always fit neatly in our “toolbox”
FYI – there is nothing wrong with being realistic – but SOMETIMES a shift in perception is all it takes.
All is not always as it seems:
Once upon a time there was a young trapper named Peter Dobley, who lived alone except for his huge, part-wolf sled dog Prince.
Eventually, Peter married, but his wife died soon after giving birth to his son. From then on it fell to Prince to guard the baby while his master was out trapping.
One day, caught in a blizzard, Peter was hours late returning home. Arriving, he found the cabin door half open. A terrible sight awaited him inside … his son was gone and the crib was stained with blood!
As Peter stood rooted in horror, Prince crept from under the bed, his muzzle was also red with blood and he seemed to avoid his master’s gaze. Whit a cry, Peter raise his axe and struck with all his strength, burying it in the dog’s massive head.
Following the thoughtless act, Peter stepped around the other side of the bed and found his son … alive and unharmed. He also found a dead timber wolf clenching a piece of Prince’s bloody fur in his teeth.
As if delusions are going to fix or solve anything in actuality..
If I met such a woman and medical science classified her as unable to walk and then her fantasy actually allowed her to walk again in a controlled study then I would give it credence.
Other than that I’ll leave it to you and those with similar mindsets.
I have dealt with enough fakery and crap in government and the private sector corporate world as well as the religion of my hypocritical family to last an eternity.
Not to rule out possibilities, but I prefer tried and true over dreaming and blue.
Unless one by sheer force of will could actually shift one’s whole locus of reality with thought. Ergo powers that are attributed to the various gods people worship.
Your point is still not proven.
Similar to those people who claim ESP but always fail controlled experiments.
Interestingly … in your zeal to argue your point … is actually THE point of the picture … look at you dance 😉
however, your interpretation was never about the woman PHYSICALLY standing/dancing/walking – or “deluding herself” through “powers of the mind” that she ever would be magically able to physically do those things if she “focused hard enough”.
It’s about how she FEELS. Like Rose – in the movie “Titanic” FELT like she was “flying” when she was perched on the bow or the ship.
Let me try this another way …
“I see you as an asshole.” – the image says “How others see you is not important”
Now I’m going to guess (I think correctly – but feel free to make the properly positive statement regarding your best attributes), but I think you’d say:
“I am a kind, caring, compassionate and intelligent human being” – the image says “How you see yourself means everything”
Now – after reading the two statements – which statement do you feel and apply to yourself? and does me seeing you as an “asshole” make you feel worse about yourself? Or have you just disregarded it?
If you disregarded the first statement while believing the 2nd statement, you already get the concept that the image suggests. I think you probably do this without thought – it’s natural to you … but it is NOT for other people. other people will be hurt by being called an asshole and they will feel dejected – the point of the image is to suggest to them that they can safely disregard what I think and replace it with a positive self image.
Surprisingly, not everyone has your strong will and natural capability to automatically reject the negative statements directed at them by others.
You misunderstood my point exactly.
It was about her physically being able to do what she imagines.
Now who has the ‘roadblocks’ and is seeing only what they want to see.
My point was that no amount of delusion or perception shift has been proven to change reality. I did grant you that it would help people cope, but in an of itself it is not a practical way of actually fixing the problem at hand.
And without fixing the actual issue, the problem will remain and the delusion will either have to be continuous and continual for the person to deal with the harsh situation.
Energy would be more efficiently spent towards focusing on the reality and fixing things so the delusion is not needed.
@Owen,
The point is the woman is weeks from dead….you can’t fix old age thank God..and if they ever do figure out how to make us live longer….I for one am not buying that gadget, gizmo, or drug. The older you get….experience here lol….the more you have to live in your head. Which is a good thing….as the body is mostly pooched. If you only worry about facts and not beliefs….this explains a lot more about why you are missing the point. So sorry….it must be hard to be you.
@Owen – reading comprehension is your friend – learn it
You have gone SOO far off the reservation about what the intent and point of the positive motivation of this post/picture is.
… I hate to say it but if you can’t comprehend the simple concept of self image and viewing one’s self in a positive light, its no wonder you have issues with other people … what I’d like to know is if you have such a hard time accepting/asking for any type of assistance, why do you insist on interjecting and drawing the much despised attention to yourself?
Not everyone is “like you” and I’d be pretty positive most would not want to be “like you” … so if your mother didn’t tell you this I will clue you in: If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything.
… or perhaps it was your sole selfish intention to spread your negative poison?
hmm interesting, you having a bad day dawg? generally your comments are more reasonable and tolerant, then this last one was. Seems like you are being overly defensive here. For the most part the comments I see Owen leaving for people are genuine attempts to be helpful. He certainly doesn’t go around spreading negative poison on every post.
Whenever anyone makes a statement like xx is your friend it always comes off as condescending and insulting which of course was your intent but still. Its rude and abrasive and not sure why. Yes he presented a different view but still no reason to be so hostile. It didn’t seem like anything he wrote deserved such a strong response. Oh well its all good.
Perhaps you need to take some time away from this site dawg. Your last post is completely out of line and far more aggressive/negative than anything else in this thread.
you guys… we all have bad days and we all take it out on other people. i know i have.. and dawg i know how you feel. and i absolutely love this picture. it means so much to me. so i want to thank you for putting it up.
I like this picture too. It’s only message is that what matters is how you view yourself. It is a postive message of self-esteem and self-worth. It has really nothing to do with the fact that it’s some old woman in a wheelchair. So what if she’s being delusional about picturing herself young and upright? If that’s what keeps her going, then that’s what keeps her going. Maybe a different image would have made the point clearer. Although, I completely understood to message it was trying to convey.
Dawg is always kind and honest, he was just having a bad day or moment there. This thread didn’t need any hostility. How do positive threads always seem to turn sour? lol
If Perception is Reality, then how we see ourselves is all that matters. It’s inconsequential if we’re handicapped or not while we’re dancing with ourselves.
You guys obviously don’t do enough hallucinogenics. 🙂
I’m not sure about the ages of the various people on this post. But I am 50 and seriously disabled…and for me I understand that the only place we can ever truly inhabit is our mind. Our mind is what creates our reality…our perception of reality. It is scientifically proven that our minds control what we see and how we perceive it, and that no one sees exactly the same thing ever. That being said…..how do you trust your senses and your brain and your physical body to know what it is perceiving is real at all. It has also recently been proven that the mind exists outside of the physical body and functions even after the death of the physical. Because of scientific and medical breakthroughs….more and more of us are being brought back….and able to remember and talk about what we experienced. While we were physically dead.
I myself live in my mind…my emotions guide me. It appears that others live in their brain….their logic guides them. Sooooo….somewhere in the middle is the wise mind….the mind that functions in this reality and lives beyond the physical. My psych says I lack this wise mind…hence I am 100% logical or 100% emotional. No balance between the two. This is what I am aiming for in the second half of my current incarnation. But I would never say that one or the other should take precedence. Dawg has presented something that is compelling to the emotional mind….this is what tells us who we are. Owen comes back with a logical interpretation…..this is what tells us what we are not. Seriously, the answer is in the middle…..but since it is Mr. Dawg’s post….perhaps we can use the image as he has planned. With the mind…..who we are….not who we are not…the brain.
That being said….I am argumentative by nature and nurture….me I like a good debate….will try to behave and remember what my Buppa always used to tell me.
Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level….and beat you with his experience….lmao
It’s All Good
Love to All….even thought you can’t taste, touch, smell, hear or see it…..love is real.
Amakua
Ahhhh man….basically thus….mr. owen came on to mr. dawg’s post and crapped in his cornflakes….went all logic on his happy place. That hurts…I know…happy places are hard to find and harder to share. It really is all good. Hopefully both sides of this debate will learn something from it. I think Dawg was originally patient….but crapping in his corn flakes….not so nice.
lol, Ama, crapping in the cornflakes again?
I didn’t know there was a difference between mind and brain. I thought they were the same thing?
Anyway, I get what you’re saying about the emotional/logical argument. Dawg was being emotional and Owen was being logical. In this case, I vote for emotional. Sometimes logic doesn’t have to win out.
I like that you said you can’t taste, touch, smell, hear or see love but it’s real. Nice.
What is all this about Duke writing some book? Can you fill me in…..tooo lazy tonight to go back….lol….my day went well….I was a hit with his family….oooo….and I got to meet one of my favourite authors….she was originally rude to me….too funny…..in the end….she has agreed to send me a copy of her 12th and final book. Later I told them about one of the pranks that Mario had played on me….had them spitting out their egg salad sammies for sure….lol….I held it together until the Final Post and Reveille….then the tears started….and they finished with the song that was performed at my father’s funeral….and I had to leave the room…..but I almost made it. Had composed myself by the time it was finished and snuck back in and to the first seat in the back….lol….where i used to sit in all my lectures…lol…did some good work today….some healing taking place…..brought the two families together….all good….and I’m getting a free book to boot!!!! woo hoo
@ Amakua; I agree that things are only as “real” as our minds permit us to allow them to be so.
When I read this post, it reminded me of the movie The Matrix. In that movie, most of humanity is sleeping. (Human’s main purpose are to serve as batteries). But the humans are dreaming as they sleep; thier dreams ARE their life. Even though they’re not technically asleep, their dreams ARE their reality. So it doesn’t matter if one’s source of joy comes from a “real” or imagined source. All that matters is happiness/fulfillment regardless of the validity of the source. (My take on it).
I have no idea what book Duke is writing. I saw something in another post about him wanting to write a book about the suicide project. You’ll have to ask him when he’s on again.
I’m glad your day went well. I was wondering how you did at the funeral. Were you still nervous when you got there? And, yay, free book! lol. How did you convince her to send you her last book for free? Maybe she felt guilty for being rude… did you call her out on it? haha
I think I get the brain vs mind thing. Thank you Obi-Wan.
@Lucy…..I for one don’t dream….only about a dozen dreams in my lifetime and they weren’t even dreams….huh.
Have never been able to watch the Matrix all the way through….too real…not in the physical sense….but definitely from a theoretical perspective.
@GoodGirl…something I wanted to share from today:
Success
To laugh often and much;
to win the respect of intelligent people
and the affection of children;
to earn the appreciation of honest critics
and endure the betrayal of false friends;
to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others;
to leave the world a bit better,
whether by a healthy child,
a garden patch
or a redeemed social condition;
to know even one life has breathed easier
because you have lived.
This is to have succeeded.
So you see….nothing to be afraid of anymore…it’s all gravy….you are already a success by this definition….many times over. You ARE Golden.
@ GoodGirl….don’t seem to be able to catch him….or I do and then get called away….ah well….it’s the weekend….I’m sure i’ll have the opportunity to ask him what he’s all about…lol…
As for the book…ayup…the widow wanted me to sit beside her….the author tapped me on the shoulder and said…”That chair is reserved for family”….”Who are you?”…lol
I turned around and smiled….well I said….I am the maid…yup. And who might you be?” As soon as she identified herself…out goes the hand. “Nice to finally get a chance to meet you….I’ve read several of your books.” She says, “Oh really…and which was your favourite?” lol I think she thought I was bullshitting her….so I told her my favourite so far would have to be “Another Place at the Table”. “Well” she says…”That was my mother’s story….” “I know I said…amazing woman ….amazing story….and very nicely told.” Now I have a friend for ever…..tried to talk me into Facebooking whatever that is….lol…but I’m getting a free book signed by the author…wheeee Besides she loved the fact that I used the information in her books to needle the hell out of her brother…..she laughed like mad. I didn’t know anything about the author when I first read the book….couldn’t wait to ask Mario about it tho….
I select my books randomly from the shelves….i’ll read anything…truth.
Hey GoodGirl….I believe it is attributed to Emerson….and my friends name is Emerson…he only changed to Mario a few years ago….so most people knew him as Emerson…and that is who his mother named him for. cool story really
@ Amakua; Everybody dreams, it’s just that not everyone remembers their dreams.
Your brain never shuts down, even when you’re sleeping. And sadly, sleep is terribly under-rated. Sleeping is when children grow, it’s when muscles rejuvenate.
Without sleep, people wouldn’t thrive/survive. You’ll spend about a 1/3rd of your life sleeping…..think nothing is happening during that period? Why do humans sleep if it’s just a loss of productive time?
Hey Lucy….that’s why I don’t need hallucinogenics…lol…my awake and dream worlds are pretty much the same…and trust me I’m not growing anymore…well actually I am…lol…long story…but I’m not supposed to be at my age…lol
Seriously…I am sure I dream…I hope I dream…but do I know I dream?….nope except for a dozen recurring ones that aren’t really dreams….ahhhhh crap…maybe that’s all thats really wrong with me…..well we are supposed to be living another life while sleeping I would think….the life of the mind when the brain is asleep…yah…maybe..
And lately haven’t been doing near enough sleeping in general…..maybe I should just go to bed….lol
lucy is right, everybody dreams. And you dream every night even though you can’t remember them. During sleep your brain does perform a lot of functions, like saving and discarding memories, for one.
Anyway ama, I’m sure you will get a chance to ask him what’s up.
lol That was rude. At least she turned out to be okay. She probably did think you were bullshitting her, but you came prepared.
You don’t know what facebook is? ahah It’s a social networking site. God, you are old. ;]
Mario’s name was Emerson? Interesting. Why’d he change it to Mario? Emerson is better.
He was raised by a step father that didn’t like foreigner’s….his father was from Spain…hence Mario for his father…and the mother gave him Emerson for a second name….his step father though he never adopted him….made him change his last name as well….it was too foreign sounding as well…gave him a nice German surname….apparently Germans are not foreigners…lol. For whatever reason…in the last few years…he reverted to his birth name…Mario Emerson and took back his original surname as well….caused some confusion today….lol
You should read the book….lol….amazing story…but when you know it is actually true…wow
Ohhh, I see. Germans aren’t foreigners if you live in Germany. lol.
So you thought her book was fiction? Oops, that would have been awkward.
@lucy, Looks like I’ll have to start patenting my stuff now. haha. I’m glad it was contagious, honestly. I didn’t intend for it to be so. But, I guess that’s a good thing. :]
Yeah well…the best stuff comes from the heart. And we never know who or how many people it’ll affect. How many people read this particular site? (I have no idea).
I thought it was when I first started reading it…and quickly things started to click….so I went back to the very beginning and started over…hadn’t read the foreward or anything….lol….the book was dedicated to my friend…so I knew it was at least based on fact….with some poetic license for sure…..but which parts….i’ll never breathe a word….hehehe
It is based in truth…but her truth…not necessarily my friend’s truth…that is all.
God, I don’t know how many people read this site. My estimate is… alot.
I never actually stopped to think that my post would affect anyone but me. It’s good to know that it did. I hope I see some letters on here in the near future. I really think everyone should do it or try at least.
Ama, that’s interesting to read a book about someone you know, but it the other person’s perspective. I always read the foreward, I read all books from cover to cover. Just so I don’t miss out on anything important like.. knowing a book was dedicated to my friend or something. lol Sorry, I couldn’t resist messing with you.
Nope, not really bleeding. Blood creeps you out dawg? I gotta say, it kinda gives me the willies too. But it’d have to be a lot of blood. Movie blood doesn’t give me the willies at all. lol
hey Dawg? For what it’s worth, thanks for the cartoon. Living with false hope beats utter hopelessness any day of the week.
Never back down, either. It’s OK to defend your point of view to those who don’t get it. Gracias, Senior
Sharp… bleeding edge… cutting edge… trendsetter. I’ll take all four, please and thanks. :]
I think I’d rather have false hope than hopelessness too. I would rather be deliriously happy in that wheelchair thinking of myself as a young “dancer” than to think I am crippled and old and I’ll never walk again. Yep.
you’re welcome lucy – but you won’t convince me that many people have real positive attributes that they view negatively often based on things people say about them. we CAN choose how to view ourselves and if we view ourselves in a positive light … ‘hope’ really never enters into the cartoon – but a positive self image WILL give a person a more positive or perhaps even hopeful outlook on the future
@GG – you forgot to mention “hot’ in your list of goodies 😉
@ Dawg; I read what you said like 5 times, not sure if I get the thrust of it. “Don’t give a shit about other peoples opinions” (Agreed). “People seldom see their own faults”. (Agreed). “We create our own destiny”. (Agree).”Believe in yourself, forget about the rest”. (Agreed).
As far as cartoons go, I kinda like South Park. Cartman is like Tony Robbins or any other self help guru you can think of….
The gist was that I was trying to suggest – to use your term – REal hope as opposed to FALSE hope – but more importantly – and more directly related to the cartoon – it the need for a positive self image … this can give you a more positive outlook and by extension … real hope
convoluted dawg
sorry I’m having a hard time focusing – i’m tired and have a nasty toothache
Thanks Dawg; I’m going to sleep now. I plan on building a 3 egg omelette when I wake up, with cheese, mushrooms, bell peppers, and an undisclosed source of meat (hamburger or bacon)?.
May we all dream pleasant dreams……. (mmmm..breakfast)….
I love the picture it made me smile too…sometimes my husband who is paralysed sits in front of a mirror swearing at himself he blames himself for the accident that caused his quadraplegia,i always go in stand behind hom and nuzzle his ear and tell him what a neat guy he is and i dont care if hes sitting down..oh he can dance too hes fantastic i also tell him how lucky he is and that hes not alone when so many are and that i love him to bits he usually leaves the mirror smiling if i catch him at the right time but again everyone is different and did i mention he played wheelchair rugby fo the wheelblacks kudos to him!! Thanks dawg for yet another inspiring threst even the narly bits..
@Molly….hey lady….how are you? Long time no talk to. Hope all is well with you. How are the new meds working? Have you figured out how not to take so much and get away with it?….lol….and don’t worry about your psych….they hear suicide project and they jump to conclusions….i would have myself before i got here….lol….it sounds like a place we can go to find friends to jump with….lol
@Dawg….how’s your face? What kind of pain are we talking about….broken tooth, gum infection, abcess, what? Can offer some help if you let me know….have a history of such…one too many uppercuts to the jaw….lol I hope it’s the nagging aching kind and not the kind that makes you rock and moan and want to bash your head off a wall…ayup ….been there as well. Let me know…
@amakua im fine a bit drowsy i havent taken less pills than im meant to i realise i was hypomanic-one step away from hospital.im a bit drowsy from them but not as bad as i thought apparently im having the same conversations over and over with the same people so my short term memory is in tatters…i hope they reduce the meds on tuesday fingers crossed.how you doing saw your comment about dawg being in pain…you out there dawg???i think the shrink was freaked out by the name the fact that it includes “suiside” and yeah he probably though gawd shes gunna do
It under my watch -im not suisidal anymore i told him that the people on here really helped me get through a really bad patch when i thought a cliff was beaconing to me…hence the doubling of meds i also go a speeding ticket on the way to see him it was a bad one so i was pretty wound up..
Hey Molly,
Must say I’m very pleased to hear this from you. Yeah after I told my psych about the site that was bad enough….but i didn’t tell her the name….no spying on the likes of me…and I live alone with my daughter….closest thing to freedom I have ever had. I still think it may be important for you to find another place like your rock…a place for reflection only…lol. Me I knew you wouldn’t jump….think about all the great surfing and gardening you would miss.
I placated my psych with this: I am not suicidal….I have been suicidal….but know now that that is not an option for me…so although I have suicidal ideations….they are only to piss me off….now that I can’t actually go through with them anymore. The kind souls on this particular site are not trying to talk me into jumping….just trying to help me deal with the fact that I can’t jump….and helping me to understand the rage and anger that this arouses in me. No worries here….and sometimes it really helps to help someone else when I can…that’s it. No worries.
Good advise amakua i pretty much said that to him i do still run up that mountain but now i try to reflect rather than want to jump..i dont spend much time up there for obvious reasons but the view is worth the run.i see a new coucillor next week for cbt so that should be interesting btw it was good of you to see the brother out its a hard thing to do but important that the guy had you to watch over him so he wasnt alone.our whole family jammed into a hospital room when my husbands dad died it wasnt pleasant but we all held him as he passed he was a fine man i often think of him so i think rather highly of you amakua ((((hugs))))$
AAAAH Molly,
You made me cry…..way to sensitive here i think…but yeah….there were some really hard parts….and some really wonderful parts….not sure how long it will take to disseminate the experience….just glad I had the chance to help….I will do damn near anything for the people that I love….
Let us know how the new counsellor works out….and remember less than 10 words at a time….lol….that’s why my psych says group work is definitely out for the likes of me. For me I’m gonna discuss next week something that someone here suggested…a more emotional take on the therapy….if logic were all it took….I’d have been fixed years ago….lol
Myself I have several reflection spots…have to because of the constantly changing weather in Canada….but my favourite is the church in the valley. We have a major creek system running throughout our city…when I was a kid you could travel anywhere around town without coming up out of the gullies. Gully rats they called us…lol….so at the end of one of these tributaries is a deep valley and the Baptists built a church at the bottom with a long, long, staircase going down to it. There are no lights or homes near by and if you go halfway down the stairs….you are invisible to the rest of the world….solitude….been going there for over 35 years. In the summer I usually head for the beach or to Hawk’s cliff…..can’t go there anymore tho…..my neighbour threw her infant over the cliff a couple of years ago…ruined the fucking place for everyone even the birding enthusiasts….sad story….I had just helped the grandmother set up for the baby to come home….and the next thing I know I had the cops going door to door searching the building….I had lots to be afraid of for sure…..but no choice….they said they were only interested in one thing….but I didn’t believe them….so everything went out…lol…good thing cuz they were back two days later….liars…lol i’m referring to my drugs and illegal smokes etc….had nothing to do with the death of the babe…no fucking way….was all I could do not to kill the mother…..especially when we find out that even before her trial….she was pregnant again. I will include a link in another comment…but don’t watch it if it will upset you….it still makes me cry….from minute one I knew that she would never be found….a gift that feels like a curse sometimes. It was quite awhile later that the mother admitted what she had done with the infant. We all just pray that the child died of natural causes and the mother panicked….the alternative is the stuff of nightmares….ayiiiii
Ack enough maudlin…gonna have to find a new place myself ….if you’ll look for your new reflection spot….I will look for a new one for me too….I had forgotten the peace and solitude I experienced there until you took me to your own cathedral in the sky. God winter here sucks….lol…but I guess there is still the church…just don’t feel the same way about church in general anymore….i need nature here.
Don’t watch the link if you’re as sensitive as me…..not really important…just want you to know that I don’t have to make shit up here….it’s all just a little too real sometimes.
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Thats great, luv ya dawg!!
Nope, it is not easy.
Yeah … the word “sometimes” kinda covers that … however, i find more often than not … when it doesn’t seem that easy, the roadblock are usually self-imposed
… fyi … the word “usually” covers THAT thought too 😉
occasionally dawg
Hey dawg youre full of good advice!!
I agree with Baal Zebub and with the premise that in the cases that it is ineffective the reasons are self imposed.
No amount of perspective can change reality.
She still is not dancing.
Correction
I agree with Baal Zebub and disagree with the premise that in the cases that it is ineffective the reasons are self imposed.
No amount of perspective can change reality.
She still is not dancing.
Thanks for proving the point … YOU see her as not dancing … she “SEES” herself as dancing and as beautiful .. regardless of what YOU think … and YOU can’t take that from her
Besides … just because she isn’t “dancing” in a way that your closed and narrow mind defines … does NOT mean she isn’t “dancing” at all … ever seen wheelchair basketball? would you say they “aren’t playing basketball”?
Your brain can’t see it so it IS your own internal roadblock
dancing dawg
Seeing yourself as dancing is not the same as dancing.
And in that photo she is not dancing.
and I have seen whellchair basketball but it does not support your point because she sees herself as standing and dancing.
And after her fantasy when she has to come back to reality she will realize that she is neither on her feet or dancing.
As a coping mechanism for it’s purpose it works for those who choose to use it.
Still it is delusion just like anyrthing else that is not actual reality.
And I have no internal roadblocks, I understand her situation very well.
But I threw off delusions with Santa Claus, religion, and similar long ago.
Just pointing out the truth of the matter.
Realist.
And rather than her focus on fantasy I would urge her and others to speak on their itation so we can find a real world solution so she can actually dance.
Prosthetic legs, stem cell research, and/or the new exoskeleton that a couple of guys at U.C, Berkeley gave to a wheelchair bound college student so he could walk for graduation.
I believe in solving the issues.
Hey All,
Gonna have to agree with Dawg on this one i’m afraid. When I watched a clip that was posted the other day by Morgan and friends…I was treated to the Moonlight Sonata….I love this song. But my piano playing days are over…arthritis and other issues. But when I listened to the music….I was playing again….literally at an invisible keyboard. And I got almost the exact same joy and emotion from hearing it played as playing it myself. I can still hear the emotion of the music even if I have to play it on my computer instead of my upright grand. I’m still playing….if only in my memory….as real as yesterday…..ahhhhh….another perk of the aging process…..wait….you’ll understand some day I’m sure.
We never really grow up….we just learn how to behave….atleast in public…sometimes
Amakua
Wikipedia: Dance is an art form that generally refers to movement of the body, usually rhythmic and to music, used as a form of expression, social interaction or presented in a spiritual or performance setting
Dictionary.com: Dance: to move one’s feet OR BODY, or both, rhythmically in a pattern of steps, especially to the accompaniment of music.
Merriam-Webster: Dance:
1. to engage in or perform a dance
2. to move or seem to move up and down or about in a quick or lively manner
three definitions, only on reference to “feet” – and hat was as an “option” … I will concede the point on “standing” which is obvious – but was not your original argument and i’m sure a person in a wheelchair is not delusional to think she is actually “standing” … however – she IS dancing and she FEELs beautiful so she could FEEL like she is standing … one’s perception of one’s self can shift their attitude wither way – I have seen truly stunning women who could be supermodels think they are ugly, and act accordingly.
and you again have proven that the roadblocks are your own: “As a coping mechanism for it’s purpose it works for those who CHOOSE to use it.”
since you CHOOSE not to use it, you refuse to feel it … your CHOICE is YOUR roadblock.
Some people believe God is as real as you sitting at your computer – just because YOU see it as “delusional” does not make it so (though I do agree with you regarding religion) … but that is mine and your CHOICE – and since neither you or I can definitively prove it false, we can’t say for sure that the believer is truly delusional.
Go ahead and prove me right again regarding the “dancing” in the face of accepted definitions from three respected sources …
… or CHOOSE to open your mind to the possibility that everything does NOT always fit neatly in our “toolbox”
your “truth” does not equal my “truth”
santa dawg 😉
FYI – there is nothing wrong with being realistic – but SOMETIMES a shift in perception is all it takes.
All is not always as it seems:
Once upon a time there was a young trapper named Peter Dobley, who lived alone except for his huge, part-wolf sled dog Prince.
Eventually, Peter married, but his wife died soon after giving birth to his son. From then on it fell to Prince to guard the baby while his master was out trapping.
One day, caught in a blizzard, Peter was hours late returning home. Arriving, he found the cabin door half open. A terrible sight awaited him inside … his son was gone and the crib was stained with blood!
As Peter stood rooted in horror, Prince crept from under the bed, his muzzle was also red with blood and he seemed to avoid his master’s gaze. Whit a cry, Peter raise his axe and struck with all his strength, burying it in the dog’s massive head.
Following the thoughtless act, Peter stepped around the other side of the bed and found his son … alive and unharmed. He also found a dead timber wolf clenching a piece of Prince’s bloody fur in his teeth.
aesop dawg
As if delusions are going to fix or solve anything in actuality..
If I met such a woman and medical science classified her as unable to walk and then her fantasy actually allowed her to walk again in a controlled study then I would give it credence.
Other than that I’ll leave it to you and those with similar mindsets.
I have dealt with enough fakery and crap in government and the private sector corporate world as well as the religion of my hypocritical family to last an eternity.
Not to rule out possibilities, but I prefer tried and true over dreaming and blue.
Unless one by sheer force of will could actually shift one’s whole locus of reality with thought. Ergo powers that are attributed to the various gods people worship.
Your point is still not proven.
Similar to those people who claim ESP but always fail controlled experiments.
But shift and delude as you will.
Interestingly … in your zeal to argue your point … is actually THE point of the picture … look at you dance 😉
however, your interpretation was never about the woman PHYSICALLY standing/dancing/walking – or “deluding herself” through “powers of the mind” that she ever would be magically able to physically do those things if she “focused hard enough”.
It’s about how she FEELS. Like Rose – in the movie “Titanic” FELT like she was “flying” when she was perched on the bow or the ship.
Let me try this another way …
“I see you as an asshole.” – the image says “How others see you is not important”
Now I’m going to guess (I think correctly – but feel free to make the properly positive statement regarding your best attributes), but I think you’d say:
“I am a kind, caring, compassionate and intelligent human being” – the image says “How you see yourself means everything”
Now – after reading the two statements – which statement do you feel and apply to yourself? and does me seeing you as an “asshole” make you feel worse about yourself? Or have you just disregarded it?
If you disregarded the first statement while believing the 2nd statement, you already get the concept that the image suggests. I think you probably do this without thought – it’s natural to you … but it is NOT for other people. other people will be hurt by being called an asshole and they will feel dejected – the point of the image is to suggest to them that they can safely disregard what I think and replace it with a positive self image.
Surprisingly, not everyone has your strong will and natural capability to automatically reject the negative statements directed at them by others.
sensitivity dawg
You misunderstood my point exactly.
It was about her physically being able to do what she imagines.
Now who has the ‘roadblocks’ and is seeing only what they want to see.
My point was that no amount of delusion or perception shift has been proven to change reality. I did grant you that it would help people cope, but in an of itself it is not a practical way of actually fixing the problem at hand.
And without fixing the actual issue, the problem will remain and the delusion will either have to be continuous and continual for the person to deal with the harsh situation.
Energy would be more efficiently spent towards focusing on the reality and fixing things so the delusion is not needed.
@Owen,
The point is the woman is weeks from dead….you can’t fix old age thank God..and if they ever do figure out how to make us live longer….I for one am not buying that gadget, gizmo, or drug. The older you get….experience here lol….the more you have to live in your head. Which is a good thing….as the body is mostly pooched. If you only worry about facts and not beliefs….this explains a lot more about why you are missing the point. So sorry….it must be hard to be you.
Amakua
Hi Amakua
@Owen – reading comprehension is your friend – learn it
You have gone SOO far off the reservation about what the intent and point of the positive motivation of this post/picture is.
… I hate to say it but if you can’t comprehend the simple concept of self image and viewing one’s self in a positive light, its no wonder you have issues with other people … what I’d like to know is if you have such a hard time accepting/asking for any type of assistance, why do you insist on interjecting and drawing the much despised attention to yourself?
Not everyone is “like you” and I’d be pretty positive most would not want to be “like you” … so if your mother didn’t tell you this I will clue you in: If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything.
… or perhaps it was your sole selfish intention to spread your negative poison?
dawg
hmm interesting, you having a bad day dawg? generally your comments are more reasonable and tolerant, then this last one was. Seems like you are being overly defensive here. For the most part the comments I see Owen leaving for people are genuine attempts to be helpful. He certainly doesn’t go around spreading negative poison on every post.
Whenever anyone makes a statement like xx is your friend it always comes off as condescending and insulting which of course was your intent but still. Its rude and abrasive and not sure why. Yes he presented a different view but still no reason to be so hostile. It didn’t seem like anything he wrote deserved such a strong response. Oh well its all good.
Perhaps you need to take some time away from this site dawg. Your last post is completely out of line and far more aggressive/negative than anything else in this thread.
you guys… we all have bad days and we all take it out on other people. i know i have.. and dawg i know how you feel. and i absolutely love this picture. it means so much to me. so i want to thank you for putting it up.
I like this picture too. It’s only message is that what matters is how you view yourself. It is a postive message of self-esteem and self-worth. It has really nothing to do with the fact that it’s some old woman in a wheelchair. So what if she’s being delusional about picturing herself young and upright? If that’s what keeps her going, then that’s what keeps her going. Maybe a different image would have made the point clearer. Although, I completely understood to message it was trying to convey.
Dawg is always kind and honest, he was just having a bad day or moment there. This thread didn’t need any hostility. How do positive threads always seem to turn sour? lol
How do positive threads always seem to turn sour? lol
Haha because threads mirror real life, where nothing good or positive can ever last. Something always comes along to bring it down lol
as witnessed by some here – a positive message can and does endure and rise above the negativity cynicism and my ham-handed hissy fit
Apologies to U.N. Owen for my rudeness – it was uncalled for – but my position remains steadfast and unshakable.
sorry dawg
If Perception is Reality, then how we see ourselves is all that matters. It’s inconsequential if we’re handicapped or not while we’re dancing with ourselves.
You guys obviously don’t do enough hallucinogenics. 🙂
lol @ lucy4.
@What, You’re right. Nothing positive ever lasts in real life, why should it on a thread?
Dawg, that was some hissy fit. Did you bake some bad cookies again? ;]
@Lucy….some of us don’t need hallucinogenics….lol
I’m not sure about the ages of the various people on this post. But I am 50 and seriously disabled…and for me I understand that the only place we can ever truly inhabit is our mind. Our mind is what creates our reality…our perception of reality. It is scientifically proven that our minds control what we see and how we perceive it, and that no one sees exactly the same thing ever. That being said…..how do you trust your senses and your brain and your physical body to know what it is perceiving is real at all. It has also recently been proven that the mind exists outside of the physical body and functions even after the death of the physical. Because of scientific and medical breakthroughs….more and more of us are being brought back….and able to remember and talk about what we experienced. While we were physically dead.
I myself live in my mind…my emotions guide me. It appears that others live in their brain….their logic guides them. Sooooo….somewhere in the middle is the wise mind….the mind that functions in this reality and lives beyond the physical. My psych says I lack this wise mind…hence I am 100% logical or 100% emotional. No balance between the two. This is what I am aiming for in the second half of my current incarnation. But I would never say that one or the other should take precedence. Dawg has presented something that is compelling to the emotional mind….this is what tells us who we are. Owen comes back with a logical interpretation…..this is what tells us what we are not. Seriously, the answer is in the middle…..but since it is Mr. Dawg’s post….perhaps we can use the image as he has planned. With the mind…..who we are….not who we are not…the brain.
That being said….I am argumentative by nature and nurture….me I like a good debate….will try to behave and remember what my Buppa always used to tell me.
Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level….and beat you with his experience….lmao
It’s All Good
Love to All….even thought you can’t taste, touch, smell, hear or see it…..love is real.
Amakua
Ahhhh man….basically thus….mr. owen came on to mr. dawg’s post and crapped in his cornflakes….went all logic on his happy place. That hurts…I know…happy places are hard to find and harder to share. It really is all good. Hopefully both sides of this debate will learn something from it. I think Dawg was originally patient….but crapping in his corn flakes….not so nice.
lol, Ama, crapping in the cornflakes again?
I didn’t know there was a difference between mind and brain. I thought they were the same thing?
Anyway, I get what you’re saying about the emotional/logical argument. Dawg was being emotional and Owen was being logical. In this case, I vote for emotional. Sometimes logic doesn’t have to win out.
I like that you said you can’t taste, touch, smell, hear or see love but it’s real. Nice.
@GoodGirl….where are youuuuu? lol
What is all this about Duke writing some book? Can you fill me in…..tooo lazy tonight to go back….lol….my day went well….I was a hit with his family….oooo….and I got to meet one of my favourite authors….she was originally rude to me….too funny…..in the end….she has agreed to send me a copy of her 12th and final book. Later I told them about one of the pranks that Mario had played on me….had them spitting out their egg salad sammies for sure….lol….I held it together until the Final Post and Reveille….then the tears started….and they finished with the song that was performed at my father’s funeral….and I had to leave the room…..but I almost made it. Had composed myself by the time it was finished and snuck back in and to the first seat in the back….lol….where i used to sit in all my lectures…lol…did some good work today….some healing taking place…..brought the two families together….all good….and I’m getting a free book to boot!!!! woo hoo
Love Ya
Amakua
Hey GoodGirl
The brain is the computor….the mind is the operator….get….not the same at all
brain =logic mind = emotion wise mind = balance
and the truth is that the mind inhabits a place halfway between this reality and the next
@ Amakua; I agree that things are only as “real” as our minds permit us to allow them to be so.
When I read this post, it reminded me of the movie The Matrix. In that movie, most of humanity is sleeping. (Human’s main purpose are to serve as batteries). But the humans are dreaming as they sleep; thier dreams ARE their life. Even though they’re not technically asleep, their dreams ARE their reality. So it doesn’t matter if one’s source of joy comes from a “real” or imagined source. All that matters is happiness/fulfillment regardless of the validity of the source. (My take on it).
I have no idea what book Duke is writing. I saw something in another post about him wanting to write a book about the suicide project. You’ll have to ask him when he’s on again.
I’m glad your day went well. I was wondering how you did at the funeral. Were you still nervous when you got there? And, yay, free book! lol. How did you convince her to send you her last book for free? Maybe she felt guilty for being rude… did you call her out on it? haha
I think I get the brain vs mind thing. Thank you Obi-Wan.
@Lucy…..I for one don’t dream….only about a dozen dreams in my lifetime and they weren’t even dreams….huh.
Have never been able to watch the Matrix all the way through….too real…not in the physical sense….but definitely from a theoretical perspective.
@GoodGirl…something I wanted to share from today:
Success
To laugh often and much;
to win the respect of intelligent people
and the affection of children;
to earn the appreciation of honest critics
and endure the betrayal of false friends;
to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others;
to leave the world a bit better,
whether by a healthy child,
a garden patch
or a redeemed social condition;
to know even one life has breathed easier
because you have lived.
This is to have succeeded.
So you see….nothing to be afraid of anymore…it’s all gravy….you are already a success by this definition….many times over. You ARE Golden.
Namaste
Amakua
Ama, that quote sounds familar, do you know who said it?
Thanks for sharing. I’m golden? Really? 😀
@ GoodGirl….don’t seem to be able to catch him….or I do and then get called away….ah well….it’s the weekend….I’m sure i’ll have the opportunity to ask him what he’s all about…lol…
As for the book…ayup…the widow wanted me to sit beside her….the author tapped me on the shoulder and said…”That chair is reserved for family”….”Who are you?”…lol
I turned around and smiled….well I said….I am the maid…yup. And who might you be?” As soon as she identified herself…out goes the hand. “Nice to finally get a chance to meet you….I’ve read several of your books.” She says, “Oh really…and which was your favourite?” lol I think she thought I was bullshitting her….so I told her my favourite so far would have to be “Another Place at the Table”. “Well” she says…”That was my mother’s story….” “I know I said…amazing woman ….amazing story….and very nicely told.” Now I have a friend for ever…..tried to talk me into Facebooking whatever that is….lol…but I’m getting a free book signed by the author…wheeee Besides she loved the fact that I used the information in her books to needle the hell out of her brother…..she laughed like mad. I didn’t know anything about the author when I first read the book….couldn’t wait to ask Mario about it tho….
I select my books randomly from the shelves….i’ll read anything…truth.
Amakua
Hey GoodGirl….I believe it is attributed to Emerson….and my friends name is Emerson…he only changed to Mario a few years ago….so most people knew him as Emerson…and that is who his mother named him for. cool story really
@ Amakua; Everybody dreams, it’s just that not everyone remembers their dreams.
Your brain never shuts down, even when you’re sleeping. And sadly, sleep is terribly under-rated. Sleeping is when children grow, it’s when muscles rejuvenate.
Without sleep, people wouldn’t thrive/survive. You’ll spend about a 1/3rd of your life sleeping…..think nothing is happening during that period? Why do humans sleep if it’s just a loss of productive time?
Hey Lucy….that’s why I don’t need hallucinogenics…lol…my awake and dream worlds are pretty much the same…and trust me I’m not growing anymore…well actually I am…lol…long story…but I’m not supposed to be at my age…lol
Seriously…I am sure I dream…I hope I dream…but do I know I dream?….nope except for a dozen recurring ones that aren’t really dreams….ahhhhh crap…maybe that’s all thats really wrong with me…..well we are supposed to be living another life while sleeping I would think….the life of the mind when the brain is asleep…yah…maybe..
And lately haven’t been doing near enough sleeping in general…..maybe I should just go to bed….lol
Namaste
Amakua
lucy is right, everybody dreams. And you dream every night even though you can’t remember them. During sleep your brain does perform a lot of functions, like saving and discarding memories, for one.
Anyway ama, I’m sure you will get a chance to ask him what’s up.
lol That was rude. At least she turned out to be okay. She probably did think you were bullshitting her, but you came prepared.
You don’t know what facebook is? ahah It’s a social networking site. God, you are old. ;]
Mario’s name was Emerson? Interesting. Why’d he change it to Mario? Emerson is better.
He was raised by a step father that didn’t like foreigner’s….his father was from Spain…hence Mario for his father…and the mother gave him Emerson for a second name….his step father though he never adopted him….made him change his last name as well….it was too foreign sounding as well…gave him a nice German surname….apparently Germans are not foreigners…lol. For whatever reason…in the last few years…he reverted to his birth name…Mario Emerson and took back his original surname as well….caused some confusion today….lol
You should read the book….lol….amazing story…but when you know it is actually true…wow
And no dreams for me…..too lazy….or stoopid….lol
Amakua
@ the GG; the “letter to yourself” was contagious. Go trendsetter, go 🙂
Ohhh, I see. Germans aren’t foreigners if you live in Germany. lol.
So you thought her book was fiction? Oops, that would have been awkward.
@lucy, Looks like I’ll have to start patenting my stuff now. haha. I’m glad it was contagious, honestly. I didn’t intend for it to be so. But, I guess that’s a good thing. :]
Yeah well…the best stuff comes from the heart. And we never know who or how many people it’ll affect. How many people read this particular site? (I have no idea).
Nope GoodGirl….not quite that stooopid…hehehe
I thought it was when I first started reading it…and quickly things started to click….so I went back to the very beginning and started over…hadn’t read the foreward or anything….lol….the book was dedicated to my friend…so I knew it was at least based on fact….with some poetic license for sure…..but which parts….i’ll never breathe a word….hehehe
It is based in truth…but her truth…not necessarily my friend’s truth…that is all.
Amakua
GG’s all bleeding edge like that 😉
@Amakua – I sent you an email
shifty dawg
God, I don’t know how many people read this site. My estimate is… alot.
I never actually stopped to think that my post would affect anyone but me. It’s good to know that it did. I hope I see some letters on here in the near future. I really think everyone should do it or try at least.
Ama, that’s interesting to read a book about someone you know, but it the other person’s perspective. I always read the foreward, I read all books from cover to cover. Just so I don’t miss out on anything important like.. knowing a book was dedicated to my friend or something. lol Sorry, I couldn’t resist messing with you.
Dawg, thanks for giving me a new word. Bleeding edge. Had no idea what that was til now. lol
you’re welcome – just so you have the right definition – the bleeding edge is the vanguard of the cutting edge … the tip of the spear 🙂
definition dawg
Sweet. It’s good to be bleeding edge.
… As long as you’re not really bleeding … blood gives me the willies (shuddder)
vampire dawg
Nope, not really bleeding. Blood creeps you out dawg? I gotta say, it kinda gives me the willies too. But it’d have to be a lot of blood. Movie blood doesn’t give me the willies at all. lol
Hey GoodGirl,
I may be wrong…but I think he is trying to tell you that you are “sharp”.
hey Dawg? For what it’s worth, thanks for the cartoon. Living with false hope beats utter hopelessness any day of the week.
Never back down, either. It’s OK to defend your point of view to those who don’t get it. Gracias, Senior
Sharp… bleeding edge… cutting edge… trendsetter. I’ll take all four, please and thanks. :]
I think I’d rather have false hope than hopelessness too. I would rather be deliriously happy in that wheelchair thinking of myself as a young “dancer” than to think I am crippled and old and I’ll never walk again. Yep.
Don’t forget “Spatula”. I just had 3 EXCELLENT Quesadillas (with Avacado & Hot Sauce). Secret to life right there……a good meal.
Bleh, no avacado or hot sauce for me.
Secret to life, a good meal…. and some chocolate. :]
you’re welcome lucy – but you won’t convince me that many people have real positive attributes that they view negatively often based on things people say about them. we CAN choose how to view ourselves and if we view ourselves in a positive light … ‘hope’ really never enters into the cartoon – but a positive self image WILL give a person a more positive or perhaps even hopeful outlook on the future
@GG – you forgot to mention “hot’ in your list of goodies 😉
hot dawg
@ Dawg; I read what you said like 5 times, not sure if I get the thrust of it. “Don’t give a shit about other peoples opinions” (Agreed). “People seldom see their own faults”. (Agreed). “We create our own destiny”. (Agree).”Believe in yourself, forget about the rest”. (Agreed).
As far as cartoons go, I kinda like South Park. Cartman is like Tony Robbins or any other self help guru you can think of….
The gist was that I was trying to suggest – to use your term – REal hope as opposed to FALSE hope – but more importantly – and more directly related to the cartoon – it the need for a positive self image … this can give you a more positive outlook and by extension … real hope
convoluted dawg
sorry I’m having a hard time focusing – i’m tired and have a nasty toothache
Thanks Dawg; I’m going to sleep now. I plan on building a 3 egg omelette when I wake up, with cheese, mushrooms, bell peppers, and an undisclosed source of meat (hamburger or bacon)?.
May we all dream pleasant dreams……. (mmmm..breakfast)….
This made me smile..
I love the picture it made me smile too…sometimes my husband who is paralysed sits in front of a mirror swearing at himself he blames himself for the accident that caused his quadraplegia,i always go in stand behind hom and nuzzle his ear and tell him what a neat guy he is and i dont care if hes sitting down..oh he can dance too hes fantastic i also tell him how lucky he is and that hes not alone when so many are and that i love him to bits he usually leaves the mirror smiling if i catch him at the right time but again everyone is different and did i mention he played wheelchair rugby fo the wheelblacks kudos to him!! Thanks dawg for yet another inspiring threst even the narly bits..
@Molly….hey lady….how are you? Long time no talk to. Hope all is well with you. How are the new meds working? Have you figured out how not to take so much and get away with it?….lol….and don’t worry about your psych….they hear suicide project and they jump to conclusions….i would have myself before i got here….lol….it sounds like a place we can go to find friends to jump with….lol
@Dawg….how’s your face? What kind of pain are we talking about….broken tooth, gum infection, abcess, what? Can offer some help if you let me know….have a history of such…one too many uppercuts to the jaw….lol I hope it’s the nagging aching kind and not the kind that makes you rock and moan and want to bash your head off a wall…ayup ….been there as well. Let me know…
Amakua
@amakua im fine a bit drowsy i havent taken less pills than im meant to i realise i was hypomanic-one step away from hospital.im a bit drowsy from them but not as bad as i thought apparently im having the same conversations over and over with the same people so my short term memory is in tatters…i hope they reduce the meds on tuesday fingers crossed.how you doing saw your comment about dawg being in pain…you out there dawg???i think the shrink was freaked out by the name the fact that it includes “suiside” and yeah he probably though gawd shes gunna do
It under my watch -im not suisidal anymore i told him that the people on here really helped me get through a really bad patch when i thought a cliff was beaconing to me…hence the doubling of meds i also go a speeding ticket on the way to see him it was a bad one so i was pretty wound up..
Hey Molly,
Must say I’m very pleased to hear this from you. Yeah after I told my psych about the site that was bad enough….but i didn’t tell her the name….no spying on the likes of me…and I live alone with my daughter….closest thing to freedom I have ever had. I still think it may be important for you to find another place like your rock…a place for reflection only…lol. Me I knew you wouldn’t jump….think about all the great surfing and gardening you would miss.
I placated my psych with this: I am not suicidal….I have been suicidal….but know now that that is not an option for me…so although I have suicidal ideations….they are only to piss me off….now that I can’t actually go through with them anymore. The kind souls on this particular site are not trying to talk me into jumping….just trying to help me deal with the fact that I can’t jump….and helping me to understand the rage and anger that this arouses in me. No worries here….and sometimes it really helps to help someone else when I can…that’s it. No worries.
I’m rooting for ya Molly
Amakua
Good advise amakua i pretty much said that to him i do still run up that mountain but now i try to reflect rather than want to jump..i dont spend much time up there for obvious reasons but the view is worth the run.i see a new coucillor next week for cbt so that should be interesting btw it was good of you to see the brother out its a hard thing to do but important that the guy had you to watch over him so he wasnt alone.our whole family jammed into a hospital room when my husbands dad died it wasnt pleasant but we all held him as he passed he was a fine man i often think of him so i think rather highly of you amakua ((((hugs))))$
yup – ole dawg is still here 🙂
… as usual
never far dawg
AAAAH Molly,
You made me cry…..way to sensitive here i think…but yeah….there were some really hard parts….and some really wonderful parts….not sure how long it will take to disseminate the experience….just glad I had the chance to help….I will do damn near anything for the people that I love….
Let us know how the new counsellor works out….and remember less than 10 words at a time….lol….that’s why my psych says group work is definitely out for the likes of me. For me I’m gonna discuss next week something that someone here suggested…a more emotional take on the therapy….if logic were all it took….I’d have been fixed years ago….lol
Myself I have several reflection spots…have to because of the constantly changing weather in Canada….but my favourite is the church in the valley. We have a major creek system running throughout our city…when I was a kid you could travel anywhere around town without coming up out of the gullies. Gully rats they called us…lol….so at the end of one of these tributaries is a deep valley and the Baptists built a church at the bottom with a long, long, staircase going down to it. There are no lights or homes near by and if you go halfway down the stairs….you are invisible to the rest of the world….solitude….been going there for over 35 years. In the summer I usually head for the beach or to Hawk’s cliff…..can’t go there anymore tho…..my neighbour threw her infant over the cliff a couple of years ago…ruined the fucking place for everyone even the birding enthusiasts….sad story….I had just helped the grandmother set up for the baby to come home….and the next thing I know I had the cops going door to door searching the building….I had lots to be afraid of for sure…..but no choice….they said they were only interested in one thing….but I didn’t believe them….so everything went out…lol…good thing cuz they were back two days later….liars…lol i’m referring to my drugs and illegal smokes etc….had nothing to do with the death of the babe…no fucking way….was all I could do not to kill the mother…..especially when we find out that even before her trial….she was pregnant again. I will include a link in another comment…but don’t watch it if it will upset you….it still makes me cry….from minute one I knew that she would never be found….a gift that feels like a curse sometimes. It was quite awhile later that the mother admitted what she had done with the infant. We all just pray that the child died of natural causes and the mother panicked….the alternative is the stuff of nightmares….ayiiiii
Ack enough maudlin…gonna have to find a new place myself ….if you’ll look for your new reflection spot….I will look for a new one for me too….I had forgotten the peace and solitude I experienced there until you took me to your own cathedral in the sky. God winter here sucks….lol…but I guess there is still the church…just don’t feel the same way about church in general anymore….i need nature here.
Don’t watch the link if you’re as sensitive as me…..not really important…just want you to know that I don’t have to make shit up here….it’s all just a little too real sometimes.
Namaste
Amakua
@Dawg….see my earlier questions for you please…lol
@Molly….this is the link….but would reccomend not watching it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSuHqvENuCs&feature=related
Wouldnt play for me but nevermind
Thats really sad about the baby i hate people that hurt children…