Seriously. We are each a waste of space, food, fuel, and other resources. No one has any worth or value. One person cannot possibly make a difference in this overpopulated world. Â Even if someone could, that person is not you, me, or anyone else who is suicidal. Or is it?
Those who are suicidal have come to the bluntly obvious yet highly uncommon knowledge that life is not worth living. Suicidal people want to stop pain, which means dying. Death stops all pain, no matter how temporary or permanent. Therefore, suicidal people want to die. And when they do, family and friends suddenly become depressed because they have the mere inconvenience of not having that person in their lives. They may commit suicide as well, making others depressed and the cycle continues.
But what’s wrong with it? We are each one person in over seven billion. Suicide may be the only way we can make a change for the better. Consider this: it is often said that every second, one person dies and two people are born. Every forty seconds, one person dies by suicide. As data shows, that is not nearly enough. Birth rates need to plummet and death rates need to rise. Suicide, if more common, would really help. And honestly, what’s wrong with it? It decreases population, which in turn increases resources for the rest of us. It makes less people that we’re forced to interact/be/exist with. It makes other people commit suicide, which makes other people commit suicide and further expands the resources the rest of us have.
You are a burden to the world just by living because you use resources. Anyone is a threat to everyone. So why is suicide a bad thing if all that comes out of it is good? By the way, if I get arrested for writing this, don’t worry. I’ll just go through suicide by cop (some freedom of speech, isn’t it?)
tl;dr: everyone is pathetic so why is suicide bad
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All day long people come here trying to intellectualize suicide. It’s not that complicated. Of course we are all just one of the seven billion bags of flesh draining the resources from this planet. Suicide is simply seen as “bad” in the context that it hurts people who care about you and that it goes against the societal norm of striving to be happy and successful, and against the biological law that living things should strive to survive. Of course you can look at it from a perspective that justifies the act and makes it seem justifiable. Who cares how society views it. If you want to do it go right ahead and if you dont want to then dont. People try to act like societys view of it is what is stopping them from doing it. Awful lot of talking about it going on and nobody here really suicidal. It is what it is. Someone who is really ready to die doesnt give a rats ass what the world thinks about it.
So true.
It’s not a bad thing. I hate that they want to lock us up cause we want to kill ourselves. We’re not an Adam Lanza – we’re not going to kill anyone else and we’re not a threat to anyone but ourselves.
If we’re born with free will then we should have the right to die by the free will of taking our own lives at our choosing.
Suicide is only a bad thing when it is done for all the wrong reasons. When someone does mortal harm to themselves to get back at others, to make some kind of a “statement” or for any purpose other than it being the only solution to an untenable problem then it is wrong in my opinion. I also question the appropriateness of suicide if someone needs encouragement from someone else to do it, or if they plan far ahead to do it on a certain significant date or time. Maybe it’s my perfectionism showing but I often wonder how many people that succeed at suicide really deep down, were really just trying to manipulate someone else or hurt someone that hurt them and ended up dead instead. Just a thought…
It’s right when it’s right.
Quite an intoxicatingly seductive power trip and I’m not even suicidal. I just came here to offer a different perspective on untimely death since one commenter suggested that it’s right when it’s time. When I was younger someone tried to kill me and they came close to pulling it off. I had no idea what it meant to be near death. All I knew was that this individual wanted to take my life and I was quickly dying. As I took my last breath those lingering seconds became a bittersweet acceptance of what I figured was inevitable. That’s when I let go and surrendered all illusion of control. What happened after that could be explained biologically as brain death was surely not far once the involuntary incontinence began, first urination and then defecation. I wasn’t there to physically feel anything anyway because I had passed the point of no return by then. I’ll leave out the parts about what I saw while I was gone unconscious because I understand that what I witnessed is not necessarily how it might be for others who have had or will have a similar experience. Obviously my attempted murderer was making a grave mistake. I begged not to be sent back but unfortunately I survived the incident and apparently it wasn’t my time to die yet so here I am posting about it. The one thing we all seem to have in common is a sense of control over our own person to such an extent that we believe we have the power to end life at any time we choose. To each his or her own is what we’re told. Once it’s done, death is a done deal and that’s the moment when you realize you were never truly in control.
What has begun to bother me is the idea I did not ask to be born and live the life the planet offers or inflicts as it were. Nevertheless society puts a big hurdle on those who want to opt out. The belief being nothing in the universe is more valuable than a human life and it’s totally just made up. What exactly makes a human life more valuable than a chicken, a pig or a cow which is just a sandwich for billions.
I concur, this is why I oppose religion-it was made for lazy thinkers. Long ago some primitive society got the idea that human existence is ‘highest good’ at the expense of all other considerations.
Religion inculcates blind obedience, rigid thinking and opposes change, no matter how irrational those ideas may be. Unfortunately these stupid ideas were written down and forced on millions of kids who had no ability to reason and reject them, which is why they’re dominant today.
This is why suicide/euthanasia are strongly discouraged today and why the needs of those who don’t wish to live, are ignored. We will improve as a species, but change is always slow.
As each generation (hopefully) is better educated/informed than the last then we will become more sensible and euthanasia will become more acceptable in time. Unfortunately that’s no help for most of living today who have to resort to other means for ‘escape’ from an unwanted existence.
I agree the world is overpopulated and it’s actually expected to become even more so over the coming decades. I wouldn’t mind so much if there were an adequate amount of resources to go around but there isn’t and we’re destroying our one and only home (Earth) fit for life.
The other problem is that about 4-5 billion live in poverty. Then you have nations destroying a one time valuable resource-rainforests, to clear land for crops to feed their starving people. Meanwhile in the West we live in disharmony with nature.
I’ve been saying this for a while but I believe the right to die should be universal and available for anyone at any time. That will certainly help fix the population problem and esp. for those people who are desperately poor.
Stats have shown only 10% of people born into poverty ever escape it. That means 90% of people are born into misery, suffer, face hunger/starvation, disease and other terrible issues that come with poverty and waste roughly 70-80 years trying to change their situation but never do.
We have remarkable inventions that could’ve prevented this needless suffering but they’re never used-condoms or sterilization. Or perhaps they can’t afford them and they’re not available.
So you have illiterate peasants having a dozen unwanted babies per family because of the need to fcuk. Some of these ill-fated children will die from hunger and illness because their parents lack the income/resources. Not to mention those that are discarded/become orphans.
As to your other point-do humans have any value/worth? Does life itself? I believe we do. If there was no life on this planet, there wouldn’t be anything to observe this remarkable universe and be amazed by it. The universe would then be a dull lifeless place.
I think people matter for the good that they can do for one another and to advance our species. There are a lot of horrible things that we need to rid ourselves of, like religion, evil people who ruin other people’s lives and we need to better allocate resources, and solve a lot of issues like pollution and global warming for example.
There are also other great things about humanity, like our stories/literature, philosophies, science/technology, and more. So I believe our species should and will survive but as aforementioned it should also allow those who don’t care to be a part of it to end their lives whenever they like.
One other point I forgot to add-is that life is worth living simply for enjoying beauty. If you’ve been awestruck by a gorgeous landscape or by the stars in the sky, moved by beautiful music/poetry/drama or have seen or dated a beautiful girl (or someone that gets your heart racing) then I’m sure you could relate. That’s partly why I’m still around.
“No one has any worth or value.” I have seen numerous estimates of the value of one human life in terms of $USD. Leaving out the extremes, both high and low, those estimates come in between 750K$USD and about 3M$USD.
But those numbers necessarily can’t take into account any special aspects of the suicidal. Like, are the suicidal more likely to demand more medical services, produce less, or come with added social costs? This is never mentioned as those are estimates based on populations as a whole and the economics surrounding the suicidal, if known, are not published any where I have ever looked.
Also we are in a lot of pain and we want to die. Are we supposed to live on because we have monetary value attributed to us? Even if we were worth some expense to preserve or save due to economic value, is that really moral? I don’t know.
I have been through much pain and agony to stay alive. Some was by my choice, some was not.
I think I have found at least anecdotal evidence that some ancient societies, at times, in some places, may have taken a casual view of suicide. I sure don’t see that anywhere these days.
I guess societies these days put a high value on any human life, no matter how much it hurts to live it.