I’m sitting here listening to my mother and grandparents babble about all the bad news going on in the world.
I already woke up with an anxiety attack which is now turning into anger, and I have to have a clear mind so I drive to the store later and then to the crazy doctor. Really I just want to throw my cup of coffee against the room and punch a few holes in the wall and tell everyone in the kitchen to shut the hell up.
Just fuck man. Am I crazy?
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I think you’re just frustrated. If you need some quiet, why not just take a walk outside for a bit? Or just put some headphones on and listen to some music and tune them out.
Some people have a need to discuss world problems. It kinda takes their mind off their own little problems, and maybe puts them in perspective a little bit as well. So please don’t think they care more about the Malaysia plane than you, it is not about that.
i think people do stuff like that in an attempt to feel relevant, important, and connected to the world. It’s also probably partly motivated by wanting to maintain an image of “worldliness.”
“hey, look at me, i’m aware of stuff happening in the world, and have adopted the commonly accepted view of it, and proceeded to pass it off as my own opinion, as if i actually had even a single original thought in my head!”
That’s a very cynical view, cl. Even when there is some truth in it, it is just a little piece, a crumble of the total picture, or maybe a sprinkle on the top – but you take a magnifying glass, pick it out, blow it out of proportion and feel right, justified and content with oh just how Right you are and how Wrong and Stupid everyone else is.
The problem with what you are doing is that it not only doesn’t help, but intensifies your misery.
How you look at things, and what you focus on and magnify is a matter of choice. If you just stop for a bit being so self-righteous, you might give yourself a chance to feel better. People do have good qualities, and people have flaws. Focusing on the latter will not make neither them nor you any better.
yeah, i may have expressed an incomplete perspective on the matter.
What i mentioned above is also partly rooted in insecurities. Were those people secure (in whatever relevant way), they wouldn’t need to discuss things like that… fights in which they have no dog.
The part that bothers me about situations similar to the aforementioned, is that it’s entirely contrived and superfluous. I have a hard time articulating exactly what it is that bothers me so much about such things… but it does bother me, involuntarily.
And that’s another one of those things people always do: you try to make it seem as if i am simply “being negative,” when in fact, i am attempting to express that something is bothering me, and further, to articulate it well enough so that the problem is effectively communicated, so that, hey, other people might be able to help me with solutions, or even realize they should correct themselves.
But no, instead, i get “omg you’re so negative!” But i’m “negative” because people constantly do stuff that fucking bothers the shit out of me, and then they act like i’m creating problems, when all i’m trying to do is stop the problem which they are participating in causing and perpetuating.
I’m not like “you people.” Ignoring problems doesn’t work for me. It still bothers me just as much, if i don’t say anything that allows you to know about it.
It’s absurd and asinine that people tend to have a problem with me having any problem with anything about them. And yet, people treat me like garbage, and i’m not allowed to have a problem with that? Fuck that. Fuck everyone! Except those who treat me fairly, as though i were also a valid human being. I always give fairness where deserved. I even try to initiate it, when something could go either way.
And you know, you’re actually wrong. I’ve tried curbing my self-righteousness, and all it does is allow people to think i lack confidence or an insecure about any particular issue. I will not yield unless i think i should. If i’m right, i’m right, and you’re going to hear about it.
I never thought they were more focused on other matters and weren’t paying attention to me, I never got that at all. I know they care about me, I never doubted that and that’s no where near what was setting me off.
Sometimes when I’m having an anxiety attack every little thing sets me off for no reason and it’s not what people are talking about that bothers me, it’s hearing their voices when I just wish they’d be quiet. And other petty things like people fidgeting or chewing their gum loud or clicking their nails on a hard surface just makes me super nervous and I just want to yell at them. I don’t know. I just don’t want to snap on someone when they don’t deserve it at all.
Maybe I’m just incredibly edgy today. My therapist called in sick today so now I have to wait until next month to see her. Not that I’m thrilled to be back in therapy anyway. Sorry for the pointless ranting guys. Today is just one of my worse days.
It’s not other people’s fault that you feel negative all he time.
It’s not their duty to somehow pull you out of your depression, and they do not choose not to do it because they somehow feel that you threaten them intellectually or business-like or in some other matter.
It also isn’t true that people think you a garbage (people in their right mind). No one is garbage. Could you try to understand that?
This is simply not true. Not only it isn’t true, it’s ridiculous.
Realizing this I think it will help you battle your depression. Not only you are not being fair to others, but worst of all – you are not being fair to yourself.
I am not wrong. You can curb your self-righteousness if you set your determination on it. You might try to start by not turning every post here all about your long winded (pretty confident sounding in my opinion) views.
If you want to feel better, you have to yield. The world is not as you paint it, and if you want to feel better, you have to take off your ‘horse blinds’ that force this nihilistic, self-destroying perspective on you.
Hey buscetti, don’t apologize!
I think it’s completely normal to get irritated at everything when one is not feeling well. I totally get that – and it’s completely normal, whether one is depressed or not. If you need quiet – then that’s what you need!!
I hope you feel better tomorrow.
“Sometimes when I’m having an anxiety attack every little thing sets me off for no reason and it’s not what people are talking about that bothers me, it’s hearing their voices when I just wish they’d be quiet. And other petty things like people fidgeting or chewing their gum loud or clicking their nails on a hard surface just makes me super nervous and I just want to yell at them. I don’t know. I just don’t want to snap on someone when they don’t deserve it at all.”
I get this often, sometimes so intensely that i can’t handle it.
I try as hard as i can to ignore it, but it just doesn’t work, and i find myself sitting there on the verge of a psychotic break. I often wonder if my internal disturbance is actually visible to them, and they’re just testing me to see how far they can push, or maybe even hoping i’ll snap and give them an excuse for whatever… but in those worst moments of agitation spikes, it takes every last drop of restraint that i can muster, to not FLIP THE FUCK OUT on people, who often do seem to almost do what they know bothers me, intentionally, just to make me more miserable, because they know the consequences for snapping would be even worse. I think they actually enjoy tormenting me… but that i’m not supposed to notice, or they think i don’t notice.
I keep trying to tell myself they’re not doing it on purpose… and then i end up caught up in this ridiculous passive-aggressive “one-upsmanship,” which is just… man… i’ve had enough… a long ass time ago. I can’t take it anymore, but i have no other choice.
@gillian:
you’re wrong. Period. My accounts of my experiences are not as incorrect as you apparently want me to believe they are, nor is what you’re imagining accurate. If i could let you live a week in my “shell,” you’d see. But since i can’t do that, you’re going to disregard the truth in my words, and insist that i’m wrong, because you can’t face the possibility of a world like what i describe, which is the one i actually live in, and not one i’ve “invented.”
Pffft @CN,
Gillian hit the nail on the head with his response, too bad you’re too immersed in your self fabricated woe-is-me universe that you’re unable to see the logic in any argument that doesn’t correspond with your own. Get off your high horse, your logic is not flawless in any respect, it’s completely warped and construed as whiny bitching when you break it down from your excessive, sparkly articulation.
You are wrong cl. Life should not be about past experiences.
Life is about now, and tomorrow.
The world is not as you describe it. The people in the world are not All as you describe them.
They are not All stupid, petty, insecure and most of all – inferior to you. You know, for someone so depressed you have an unusually high opinion of your self-perceived intellectual superiority (seriously dude??). It doesn’t make you very likable, and yet there are still people who like you. You should think about that. Why do you think that really is? Because people think your are oh so smart??? Really?!
It’s just a mask, a mask for your own fears and insecurities. That it will become plain that you are not as smart as you try to appear – which is why you can’t afford to try. Try anything. It’s why you won’t try to get an education, or try to get a challenging job. It’s why all you do is string words and words and words together.
It’s all about fear, isn’t it?
@SB: way to jump on the wrongwagon.
@gillian: oh look, once again, someone is framing this false character they’ve created to make me look like something i’m not (can you say “scapegoat?”). I’m so shocked.
In case you hadn’t noticed, when i’ve clarified this multiple times, i’m not an absolutist.
“There is always an exception; even to this rule.”
YOU are the one using the word “ALL,” not me.
You’re just full of shit, and that’s all there is to say. I’m not going to gratify your ridiculous argument (most of which is purely vitriolic accusation and insult) with a thorough response.
No, you just gratified it with an unveiled insult.
Exactly the way you do with everyone in your personal life.
Always angry, always pretending to be superior, and always right.
Ever taken an IQ test, oh so clever? I bet it’s not above 110.
You don’t have to be right all the time, and you don’t have to be super smart. You don’t have to be wealthy, and you don’t have to be Brad Pitt.
Nobody expects you be an Einstein or whatever you think you need to be. Think about that.
@CN
um, the only wagon i jump on is the bongwagon bc smoking weed increases your swag level, it says so on yahoo answers
I’m not getting on anyone’ wagon:
Try…
But for some of us, the usual progression is: try option 1, fail, try option 2, fail, try option 3, fail, etc.
The failures begin to add up. You lose hope because of your repeated failures. Trying option 4 may succeed, or just compound the hopelessness further.
When you’re in a good place, trying and failing doesn’t seem like the end of the world. But when you’re in a bad place, it just crushes you further. But how do you get to that good place from the bad place without trying?
Yes, it may be a fear of failing again and sinking deeper in despair. Is that fear good or bad? It’s bad in that it prevents you from trying, but good in that it prevents you from failing. So if the failure won’t break you, then try, but know that failure will just bring you much closer to your breaking point.
Risk and reward.
But how do you get to that good place from the bad place without trying?
Why should i veil my insults?
How could you possibly believe that you know how i interact with people in my personal life?
I don’t pretend to be superior. When i am, i am; when i’m not, i’m not. I’m rarely ever wrong, and when i am, it’s always a matter of lack of information, and never a cognition impairment.
I haven’t taken an IQ test in a very long time, but tested “above 160” as a child. I’m sure it’s much lower now, since standards have risen, and i’ve suffered depression for so long, and tried to smoke enough weed to dumb myself down so i’d be more compatible with “the masses.” Last i checked, i was still pretty sharp, and i’ve never thought i was perfect.
I DO have to be right all the time. There is nothing wrong with being right as often as possible. In fact, everyone should be right as often as possible. If everyone was always right, how much could possibly be wrong in the world?
Sure, i don’t have to be Bill Gates rich, or Brad Pitt gorgeous, but i’ll never even approach either of those leagues. And in case you hadn’t noticed, “women these days” do indeed have much higher standards than in the past (not saying they shouldn’t, just calling it what it is).
I know i don’t have to be “an Einstein.” Instead, i have to be a more successful Tesla, or a “the next Richard Branson.”
No one would want someone like me, unless i had *plenty* of material wealth. That’s the truth, whether i like it or not (obviously i dislike it). I’m not one of those lucky ones who doesn’t have to be rich or physically exceptional. You seem to forget (or disregard) that people like me actually exist… which seems to fit with your wildly erroneous misrepresentation of who you either actually think i am, or who you want to paint me to be.
Oh you are such a liar 🙂
Still, I wish you the best. Honestly. You of all people should have the stubbornness required to pull yourself from this miserable perceived hole you are in.
you scored 160? yeah, well i scored 420, i win #blazeit
“The highest reported standard score for most IQ tests is IQ 160, approximately the 99.997th percentile”
woah, you’re as smart as Stephen Hawking and Einstein??? Einstein had an IQ of 160
wow, props to you, allow me to kiss your feet and sacrifice a goat in your honor
I’ve never been a liar, except when it’s absolutely necessary. I hate lying, and i don’t do it if i don’t have to. I used to think that was one of my good features, but too many times i’ve seen situations where deception produces a much better result than honesty. I’m sure many would be much more pleased with “me,” if i were to simply say what i think you want to read. Then again, lots of people seem to despise that. Maybe it’s a mood thing.
SugarBabe – Einstein was never tested, but it is believed that his IQ was around 160. Typically the ‘genius’ category is quantified as above 160 (although technically it’s labeled ‘exceptionally gifted’)
There are a different scales for measuring IQ (for children and adults), and a few different types of tests, but I don’t think any of them range up to 400 ; – )
well he didn’t say he scored 160 he said he tested out as above 160, which as you pointed out most IQ tests breakdown when trying to measure extremely high or extremely low IQ’s. So they top out at 160 so basically above 160 means his intellect was too great for the standard test to measure and he would have needed to take a more difficult or specialized test to get an accurate representation. Standard tests are meant for the 99.99% of us that fall in that middle area.
“The highest reported standard score for most IQ tests is IQ 160, approximately the 99.997th percentileâ€
If you scored higher than Einstein as a child then you must be *really* old, back when IQ tests were a nascent invention and were terribly inaccurate (even so, contemporary IQ tests are nothing but pseudoscience)
Actually, the Wechsler intelligence scale for children goes to 175.
That is to say, above 175 shows as 175+ 🙂
I’m smiling not because I find it funny.. just a bit amusing. That’s all.
Any score above 150 on children school tests (which btw are in different categories, so I’m talking about 150 in any category, not the overall average) gets loooots of attention. Like in, even the newspapers will write about it : )
Yeah… who gives a shit what my (professionally administered) IQ test showed when i was a child? I’m a failed child prodigy, yeah i said it, big whoop, wannafightaboutit?
I also was diagnosed ADD (this was before they started slapping the “hyperactive” label on everything… i’m not hyperactive… hypersensitive, definitely). They put me on ritalin, it made me a zombie, my mom said “no more of this,” and i haven’t been medicated since (aside from self medicating with cannabis, which proved highly beneficial for me…)
I’ve always doubted, or at least remained skeptical of IQ tests.
So pulling the “i bet your IQ isn’t even over 110” card, is kinda stupid. I tend to refrain from such douchebaggery.
Who knows, maybe i’m just awesome at taking tests.
Indeed you have to take into account the test taken, also regional variances.
The following is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ#IQ_score…
Most IQ tests in the United States tend to use a SD-15 or SD-16 scale, meaning that one standard deviation corresponds to ±16 points on the IQ scale. However, European IQ tests tend to use a SD-24 or SD-25 scale, resulting in discrepancies. Therefore, an IQ of 130 (+2 standard deviations) in the U.S. might correspond to an IQ of 148-150 in Europe. Due to these differences, percentiles are more accurate measurements than IQ numbers
In other words, it depends on the scale that the particular IQ test uses.
Stendarr, What – lets drop this please. It’s not helpful. I regret bringing it up in the first place.
All I wanted to say is that one’s worth as a human being is not measured by money, beauty or even IQ.
Even Einstein was wrong about some stuff. Even Tesla had unhealthy very unscientific delusions.
Being happy and content and feeling good about yourself is not about being superior in any way or form, and CL misses the point on that on every discussion.
gillian I don’t think you realize how smart clevername is and how his IQ/rational thinking sets him apart from most intellectuals. But most critics find ways to attack.
Brave Albatross – cl hangs on pretending he is very intelligent like a drowning person on a straw.. stinks of fear if failure to me.
I don’t see much of a rational thinking in his tirades – just undeveloped literary talent (btw literary and story talents are typically considered separate).
And btw, please do feel welcome to be creative (although you know I won’t play if you get nasty).
Well I would never make the assertion that CN is anything other than extremely intelligent. Problem is he is also extremely arrogant and egotistical about it. I think most people that have read his comments come to that conclusion. Maybe he is intellectually superior to the vast majority of people on the planet, but the fact is that most people don’t like being constantly reminded of that. So yea when you constantly act like you think you are superior (even if you are superior) people want you to fail. They want to see you humbled. Being intellectually superior doesn’t seem to get you very far when you are an elitist with a superiority complex bordering on narcissistic. At least not in the current system. Intellect alone is not always enough to overcome the issues of having a shitty personality and an even worse attitude.
“Being happy and content and feeling good about yourself is not about being superior in any way or form, and CL misses the point on that on every discussion.”
Swing and a miss! How many is that? i wasn’t counting. I’m sure the inning should flip any time now…
I don’t understand why “you people” try to hard to insist that i think “it’s all about being superior.” Just because i often do feel “superior” (and often rightfully so), that doesn’t mean that’s what i think life is all about. I would agree, life is all about feeling good in the moment, and sustaining that as much as possible, through as varied experiences as possible. Find what you like and do it as much as you can until you die. Fuck a few IQ points, i’d rather stay high. I haven’t been high in almost 2 years; that’s part of why i’m constantly agitated. The things that make me feel good, are out of reach, because 1) money, 2) corruption, 3) oppression, 4) being gated behind approval processes i find unfair, unjust, and unacceptable… but most importantly: immutable.
The things that make me feel good, the things worth living for, my “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness,” are blocked, by external forces and factors beyond my control.
So even if i am technically superior in whatever way, that superiority is irrelevant, because i cannot use it to enable access to what is worth living for. Sometimes it’s even a detriment, for various reasons.
And last i checked, females can’t stand being wrong, ever… and they aren’t looking for the biggest brain.
My personal observation – and it is just that, a personal observation – is that Intellectually superior people without exception are humble.
There’s something about their capability to view the world from more than one angle at the same time, I think.
I want CL to succeed. I don’t know who instilled this wrong vision in his head – that he needs to be better, more, stronger, above. Maybe he is right and his parents screwed him that much. Yet, I hope that he can get out of it. And that go back to school, works hard on his talent, and finds the endurance and perseverance to become a published writer. Then, the money will come and he wouldn’t even have to sweat for them. He would get paid for doing something he loves to do.
That’s how I think you beat a bad legacy left by your parents. And I wholeheartedly wish that for him.
“…people want you to fail. They want to see you humbled.”
…yet none of them are smart enough to realize that i’ve already failed, i’ve always failed, and even now this *is* humbled.
I’ve been incessantly over-humbled, for so long that i finally turned irrevocably bitter. If that’s not “failing at life,” i don’t know what is.
And so for people to continue pushing and attacking and trying to make me fail more and harder and over and over again… not only is that irrational and excessive, it’s only going to make me MORE MEAN, because i’ve already had enough. And the more people act that way, the more i will treat them with even more of the diminishing and trivialization they’ve earned, by being needlessly antagonistic.
Is it not obvious to everyone here, that i have problems, which are the reason i even know this site exists, not to mention having been here almost every day for almost a whole year now?
I think maybe all those people who don’t like how me just being myself makes them feel inferior… should maybe start trying to improve themselves, instead of trying to tear me down.
I came here because after so long of being incessantly kicked while down, i couldn’t get up again.
And here you guys are, more kicking while i’m down.
Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back, for contributing to the destruction of something valuable.
“This is why we can’t have nice things.”
CL, you are not superior. You are not highly intelligent. If you truly were, you wouldn’t be in the position you are in now. That’s simply a fact of life.
You have a talent with words, and you should work on that. If you do nothing, your talent won’t get you anywhere. Google about what Einstein said about the 1% talent and 99% hard work. Get off your high horse. You are not an Einstein and you are not a Tesla, but you don’t have to be.
And seriously, gender discrimination is like your lowest point so far.
cry me a river, CN. As if your “trivialization” of others’ problems on this site aren’t an equivalence of “kicking someone while they’re down”. Don’t play the victim card
“I don’t know who instilled this wrong vision in his head – that he needs to be better, more, stronger, above.”
Almost every girl i’ve ever liked, that’s who. Every employer i’ve ever had, as well (minus one).
I’ve never been good enough, in all the ways that matter. So, since i need to think some part of me has any value, i have to embrace the only part of me that’s still worth anything: my mind. But even that has limits, and i test them constantly. Sometimes i push too hard and feel like i might have a meltdown… and during those times, concentration becomes nearly impossible. It’s like doing endless brain-pushups. I can’t work my body that way anymore, because it got too messed up along the way.
Anyway, it’s all interconnected, and the word “ineffable” is accurate here. I’ve tried to explain how it’s all connected, but people like to claim i’m “inventing excuses,” whether they actually believe that, or are just trying to bother me.
I would never “invent” excuses to not do something to benefit myself. If i just didn’t want to do something, i’d say: “i just don’t really want to do that.” But in my case, it’s not just disinclination stopping me, it’s all the problems that lead to that disinclination, which will still remain as they are, regardless of my attitude.
oh god… lol.
You people, i swear.
You must be having synchronized PMS or something.
“yet none of them are smart enough to realize that i’ve already failed, i’ve always failed, and even now this *is* humbled.”
This “humble” version of you has more ego than most monarchs.
So I say you have a shitty personality and a worse attitude and your answer is that you are irrevocably bitter and irritable because of maltreatment. That the more you are mistreated the worse you act in retaliation to the mistreatment. Yet can’t you see that is just going to make the maltreatment worse. The more hostility you respond with the more you diminish and trivialize people the more they will attack you. Its a never ending downward spiral of action’s and reactions amplifying each other. The only one that can change that is you though. The world everyone else they aren’t all going to change for you.
“Almost every girl i’ve ever liked, that’s who. Every employer i’ve ever had, as well (minus one).
I’ve never been good enough, in all the ways that matter. ”
Good enough for what, for goodness sake!!! You are not a Greek god, who do you think expects you to be!
Maybe you should try liking a different kind of girl for a change – a less superficial one. And employers – most care about their money more than about their employees. Its because they are not highly intelligent, you see?
Problems will always exist. We just try to work around them, as best as we can. When it works – it works. When it doesn’t – oh well, it’s not like there isn’t a line of other problems waiting.
And last, you seem online all the time – how is that healthy for you?
And drop the gender discrimination attitude. It’s really unintelligent.
“Yet can’t you see that is just going to make the maltreatment worse.”
No… at some point i had to draw the line. No further transgressions are allowed. Any further transgressions will be met with an equal or greater retaliation.
“The only one that can change that is you though.”
Nope. I can’t change other people, and neither can i allow them to cross that drawn line without consequences.
If it escalates into disaster, so be it. They are attacking my homeland without just cause, and i will no longer yield. I have yielded too much already.
You’re not taking my Alamo without a fight.
You back a wounded animal into a corner, don’t expect it to be nice to you.
I really don’t understand where all the presumptions are coming from about CN’s abilities and what is stopping him from being the next Einstein….
I just think it’s a little degrading to say his only attribute is his speech. Last I checked life experience and knowledge fuel your speech.
As I see it, CN is winning this debate. The pack of wolves need to take a time out and regroup. This tear down of character is helping no one. CN may seem a little negative, but he has solid points and his delivery of cold truth rattles you guys.
CL – the people who truly like you like you for who you are.
Not for who you want to be, or pretend to be.
Please think about that.
I am being honest and direct with you because I hope you can take it, and I hope that it helps you. If I though you are a gentle, tender, breakable soul I wouldn’t be writing all this. I am definitely not intent on kicking anyone (except maybe the neighbor’s cat who shits on my lawn)
You don’t have to be an improved Tesla, a Greek god, or whatever other humanly impossible vision lives in your head.
Just be yourself! Every human is born with untapped potential. Every one!! The difference between the ones you consider gifted/intelligent/successfu/whatever and the rest is that they somehow were either lucky to get to tap into their potential, or managed somehow to get there (some with very very hard work).
The human genome shows less than 1% variation. It’s all about the expression of the genes. It’s more about how you use it, not as much about what you have genetically.
I have very high hopes for you tapping into your potential.
Hopes, not expectations.
well there really isn’t much to say beyond that, they won’t change, and you won’t change so things won’t change (at least not for the better). Yes the original transgressions may have been unwarranted and unjustified. Maybe other people did create the current difficulties. Yet you do have at least some culpability in how they perpetuate and escalate. You seem to realize and acknowledge that though. As you say you drew your line and the consequences will be what they will be.
Born Adamant – this is not about debates or tearing characters, and CN is not a just a little negative. People who are ‘a little’ negative don’t end up here, don’t you think?
No one deserves to feel like he feels. Or you feel. No life should be lost to suicide.
Unfortunately it doesn’t really matter if we “deserve” it. Or what we think should or shouldn’t happen. Things happen the way they will regardless. The way you react to it is up to you though.
Bright Alexein – I don’t like to use BA. But not because it’s an acronym for bad a**..
It’s because of my distaste for meaningless, but somewhat discriminating labels. Your condition does not define who you are, and I refuse to use it as a label for any human being.
If you really dislike my play with words, then I do apologize. Let me know if it is so, and then I’ll stick with B only and imagine I am addressing a Brian or a Bobby.
I could be quite a lot more negative. That’s part of why i find it so insultingly preposterous for artificially positive types to claim i’m “being” negative.
To quote a recent film: “anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.”
If i thought that “being” negative was worth doing, i’d be doing it far harder.
For anyone to assume that any of this is an accurate representation of my potential for negativity, would be a gross underestimation.
Speaking of “distaste for meaningless, but somewhat discriminating labels…” i’m pretty sure “being negative” falls into that category. It’s also dismissive and marginalizing. The implication is that the person doesn’t really have any actual problems, but is merely “being” negative. You know, kinda like what psyches do: convince people who believe they have problems, that said problems are merely illusions manifested by their flawed and/or misguided mind. And experimental pharmaceuticals, if mind-hacks don’t work.
People tend to fancy themselves psychologists, and try to use psychology tricks to make me believe all my problems are imagined… while they continually disregard repeated reiterations of the fact that all my problems are event-based and physical in nature. Eventually, after being exposed to enough torment for a long enough time, people’s minds start breaking down. You can’t fix that without correcting the source cause producing those effects. Deciding to behave differently, isn’t going to change how i actually feel, and pretending to have a different attitude, is not going to fix the problem that caused the “wrong” attitude.
And then on another level, having people insist that my attitude is “wrong,” while it is the result of repeated indications and experiences, and that not only should i pretend to feel otherwise for the sake of everyone else, but i should not be upset about the things that perpetually disturb me, or even about the disturbances themselves? lol…
No, we need real solutions, not just a new character to role play in daily life. But no one’s offering any real solutions, and i can’t make any in the absence of the tools and resources required to do so.
And! even if i could!
None of what i want, is actually available. Striving for less, for anything i don’t even want, seems ridiculous to me, especially when the costs of striving are so high; too high, in fact, for me to even afford. I cannot sustain it, i cannot progress in any useful way, and so my life cannot be worth my own effort. And yet, how could it not be? It’s… mind-shatteringly frustrating.
Lawd Jesus my post turned into a warzone.
Well I got a few laughs from some of these comments.
“synchronized pms” lmfao
C’mon guys, group hug here. If we’re gonna battle this depression lets not fuel it with argumentation.
@gillian
thank you for your gentle words. I hope I feel better tomorrow too.
So to summarize – what you are saying is that you’d be fine just as long as you get lots of money and superficial pretty girls?
Is that what you call ‘tools and resources required’?
Because with all your lengthy complaints about life, university and everything, so far you haven’t specified exactly what it is that you can’t afford in any possible way so that you can feel better.
Also, I did not call you negative – in fact I said that’s not it at all. Never said any of your problems are not real either. All I said is you are deadset not to address anything, or look for workarounds, and that is partially because you are afraid of failure.
“So to summarize – what you are saying is that you’d be fine just as long as you get lots of money and superficial pretty girls?
Is that what you call ‘tools and resources required’?”
No. You’re doing that framing and misrepresenting thing again… in case you hadn’t noticed.
“Because with all your lengthy complaints about life, university and everything, so far you haven’t specified exactly what it is that you can’t afford in any possible way so that you can feel better.”
Maybe i just don’t want to be that specific, so you can continue to misrepresent everything i would try to say? Plus, what are you going to do about it? What is anyone going to do about it? None of you are going to bother, or are even capable of solving any of my problems, so why should i extensively detail them all? Plus, there’s the fact that it’s all so convoluted, it’s just exhausting to try to exhaustively list (go figure) all the obstacles i have no way of overcoming or bypassing.
“Also, I did not call you negative…”
Pretty sure you did, or at least clearly insinuated it.
“All I said is you are deadset not to address anything, or look for workarounds…”
So, because i’ve already looked into everything that could hold efficacious potential, but found that none of it is applicable, or all of it is not possible for me to implement… you then resort to defining that as “i have refused to look for solutions or even address any problem.” This is the kind of shit i’m talking about! If that’s how you’re going to intentionally misinterpret everything, why should i give you details about my life? You have enough to go on, in presence of benefit of the doubt. If you won’t even give benefit of the doubt, where i’m uncomfortable sharing specifics, then what does that make you?
“…and that is partially because you are afraid of failure.”
This is just wrong and inaccurate on so many levels, i don’t even know where to begin.
Maybe you’ve never failed anything important in your life, or maybe your scenarios are always fair, and can be successfully navigated by just merely attempting to do so.
And then, there’s nothing actually wrong with being afraid of failure, when too much is at stake. I’m not going to risk more than i have, on any avenue which cannot be reasonably justifiably expected to result in both sufficient and sustainable gains. Wasting myself on the impossible is BAD, and i’ve already had enough of that. Nothing short of the minimum acceptable results, is worth any risk at all. It’s just not. And neither is even excessive gains worth any risk, if they are sought through means which are too risky, and too unlikely to produce desired results, and without costing too much of myself in the process.
It has nothing to do with being “afraid,” and everything to do with lack of access combined with too elevated personal requirements… not expectations, but requirements. I absolutely need more than i have any way of making. If you don’t have a way to solve that, then you are in no position to assert that i simply haven’t tried. A large part of why i CAN’T try, in many cases, is because i’m too damaged and continually disrupted by things i cannot change or control, and this prevents me from properly focusing or concentrating on the plethora of tasks required to advance. I simply cannot sustain pursuit, of anything. And in the absence of the possibility to get any of what i actually want, any of what would actually be worth the longest duration of sustained maximum effort i could manifest… i can’t manifest it. There is nothing worth putting myself through that much agony, which can actually be gained. Everything “worth that,” is out of reach, regardless of whether i could actually give my best efforts.
At this point, i seriously doubt you’re capable of understanding my problems, but all i can predict is that you will continually misrepresent them, because you just can’t stand the thought of a world that makes it impossible for some people to make use of what is potentially valuable or special about them. So you’d prefer to paint me as a bad guy or a quitter or a this or that or whatever, instead of facing the same reality i have no choice but to continue enduring until i die.
What’s the point in continuously, day after day, post after post, comment after comment bitching if you’re not going to specify the details of it? It just looks like a bunch of woe-is-me whining when in the ambiguous context you put it in. Yes, no one can solve your problems from what you say and you don’t want any help, so what’s the point in bitching about it perpetually?
If no one can possibly understand your problems, why do you keep publically reiterating them and crying rivers over them?
people make assertions and it drags more information than i planned on sharing, into the mix.
When people aren’t being stupid bitches and trying to paint me as some stereotypical cartoon character, i don’t ***** nearly as much.
Then again, this is more of the same problem:
What i call “explaining,” other people seem to insist on defining as “making excuses” or “bitching and complaining.”
Most people suck at assuming usefully or correctly; that’s why assumption carries such a negative connotation.
Lots of people get off on making others feel worse, in order to make themselves feel better, or even going around trying to stop others from improving, just because they, themselves, feel inferior, for whatever reason (legit or otherwise).
I see a lot of that type of stuff around here.
You got a problem with me voicing my concerns, sharing insights, and defending myself when attacked?
Too fucking bad.
If you want to choose your arbitrarily negative opinion, because it somehow makes you feel better, then you’d be a hypocrite to bash me for doing the same (and even incorrect, since i’m not the one being arbitrarily negative here; you guys are accusing me of something only You are, which i’m actually not… which seems like a very typical female pattern, to me, according to my experiences).
You’re projecting. You’re calling others what you are, when they are actually not, and you do this because you don’t like that you are such a thing, so you reject it from yourself, and require a medium onto which to project that (aka scapegoat), so you can feel like you’re not that, even though you are.
Jesus, you annoy me. I ***** about my life all day everyday, but I don’t do it publicly in attempt to produce sympathy from an audience of people who don’t know me nor will remember me in a year or even have me on their mind for more than a minute at a given or any given time. Venting is fine, but chronic and excessive venting to the significance that you do it is ridiculous and obnoxious, you highjack every goddamn post to turn it into an endless pity party for yourself. You don’t want to make compromises, you don’t want to talk it out, you don’t want to do anything or rather you “can’t do anything”, it’s your fault how you react to your given circumstances. Bitching about it to everyone solves nothing and is as productive as doing nothing which you say you’re obligated to do as a result of lack of options to do. *Get busy living or get busy dying* my god, make up your mind. You don’t want to live, you don’t want to die, you just want to feel sorry for yourself all day. It’s pathetic to see, to be blunt
Why do you feel the need to explain yourself all the time? No one is asking you to explain your life story on every goddamn post.
You have no idea what my motivations are, and yet you and your cohorts continually choose to insist that my motivations are either malicious or pathetic.
“*Get busy living or get busy dying* my god, make up your mind.”
Says who? You? lol… i don’t answer to you, young lady.
“You don’t want to live, you don’t want to die, you just want to feel sorry for yourself all day. It’s pathetic to see, to be blunt”
The only thing blunt here is your mind.
Let’s apply your own reasoning to you:
You are choosing to use a negative and needlessly overcritical interpretation, instead of an accurate or fair one, and then trying to make it seem like *I’m* the one being “obnoxious.” You are choosing to be a *****, which makes me want to do the opposite of whatever you say, or, when i know you’ll try to use reverse psychology, i’ll try to do neither of the two options in the false paradigm you attempt to impose upon me, as if i have to somehow comply with your absurd demands and appease you, just because you happen to have a vagina and an opinion.
It’s hilarious that you don’t even realize you’re doing exactly what i just explained to you, that you and others are always doing. Or maybe you do realize you’re doing it, and it’s not hilarious, because it’s malicious. I can’t know which, without access to understanding your motivations. So i can’t decide if you’re incompetent or malicious, but it’s either one or both.
It’s ironic that you think i should just shut up and suffer in complicit silence. That’s even less helpful than writing it out as it comes.
I honestly don’t care at all if you’re irrationally disturbed by my expressions. The only reason you keep trying to “come up” is because something is wrong with you. I try not to hold that against people, as long as they show fairness in not holding that against me. You just removed yourself from that list for the last time.
“You have no idea what my motivations are”
No shit, because you don’t say and you don’t want to say?
Yeah, I am a *****, I embrace it. I don’t care what you do, if you want to do what I suggest or not, I don’t care at all. I’m just tired of your constant tirades that fill up this site, I don’t care about you personally but rather the fact that you spew the same redundant crap over and over again, everywhere.
If you don’t want to suffer in complicit silence get a therapist, my god.
The only thing wrong about me is that my high score on flappy bird is only 12, i don’t listen 2 the h8ers, you oughta try that mindset. Why do you give a shit what people think about you or the social status you project
you seem awfully annoyed by something irrelevant that doesn’t concern you, for someone who claims not to listen to “the h8ers.”
People say things that are wrong, so i argue with them. It’s the lesser of two evils. If i don’t explain why they’re wrong, how will they ever know the difference? And if we just go around letting people be wrong, what kind of extended impacts do you think that will have upon the world? Look around, i’m sure you can find an example or two, where things could have been better, if only someone had known they were wrong.
But explaining is only half the problem: “words have only the power granted by their audience.”
If any of that stuff you say is true, you can simply choose not to be annoyed. Boom, problem solved, and no one else has to change anything at all.
“If any of that stuff you say is true, you can simply choose not to be annoyed. Boom, problem solved, and no one else has to change anything at all.”
My annoyance is a product of your being annoying as your depression and being a whiny ***** is the product of your circumstances, how about you choose to not be either of the latter while I’m at it and do everyone a favor and quit bitching?
“you seem awfully annoyed by something irrelevant that doesn’t concern you, for someone who claims not to listen to “the h8ers.â€
Why do you tell everyone how bad you have it when it doesn’t concern them? You’re not a h8er, you’re just a whiny bitcch
I think i gotta put #1 first, and if you guys don’t like how you’ve chosen to react to my existence, then you should choose to react differently. Or maybe you’re just looking for any reason to be upset, or to use anything as an excuse to “rebel” or criticize anyone, to make yourself feel relevant. Maybe you want to be annoyed, and so you’re choosing that, and this is the result.
You having an attitude problem really has nothing to do with me, and i won’t accept your blame for it. I’ve done nothing to antagonize you, and i didn’t start that BS with gillian either. “You people” just want to invent reasons to hassle me, and i’ve seen this type of thing so many times… and it’s always just as fallacious as every other time. I’m reluctant to attributed it to your gender (and/or gender “issues”), but the more it happens, the less i am able to justify refraining from doing exactly that.
fallacious – not to be confused with phallacious (Anything the bears a resemblance to a wang).
Maybe women want to hassle you because they envy your…uh..uh…(what is you have that they don’t)?
“Why do you tell everyone how bad you have it when it doesn’t concern them?”
Why does anyone say anything to anyone, ever?
Why do you assume i have to have some sort of agenda or “point?”
Have you not noticed how almost everything in life is futile?
And so in the midst of all this inescapable futility, especially surrounded by the extended impacts of other people’s choices based on their wrongness, why shouldn’t i just do whatever i want, since it’s all futile anyway?
Maybe you have a problem with it, but so what? By your own self-manifesting circular reasoning, you could simply choose not to have a problem with it, without putting any of your issues on me. I don’t subscribe to such nonsense, but if YOU do, then you should act in accordance with your own principles, even if that means you have to “try” not to have your own problem with whatever i’m doing, and without demanding that i alter myself for your sake, which has virtually no value from my perspective.
@blip:
Yeah… i kinda doubt it.
Maybe they’re mad because they know i’d be fine if i had an enviable phallus, and that makes them confront a few unpleasant truths they maybe don’t want to accept.
Clevername admitted to having a tiny peepee.
There is always a reason for speaking, whether it be to convey a message, inform, enlighten, to ask, there’s a subconscious reason for actions. You seem to have a lot of issues pertaining to being listened to and having your worth and reasons justified in the eyes of others. You’re a smart guy, really explore your actions and I’m sure you’ll find a reason as to why you committed them.
That’s a good question, you can do anything you want, so why do you choose to ***** about your life and care about what others think of you and your social status?
…although i do think that many of them do indeed envy the notion of having a phallus… it’s just that they all seem to imagine having an ideal one, without considering how life as a male with less than ideal, sub-desirable features, actually plays out. Comparatively speaking, being an average female is far easier than being an undesirable male (and by “easier,” i’m talking about maintenance requirements versus potential gains, not lack of maintenance requirements; females usually have higher maintenance by default, but usually have far more options and potential for “a well-lived life,” than any undesirable male will ever have, regardless of the inherently lower male maintenance requirements). It’s far easier to fail as a male. As a female, all you really have to do is stay healthy and not be disgusting, and you’ll inevitably meet a guy who is willing and able to take care of pretty much everything for you, in exchange for your mutually enjoyable companionship. Guys, especially undesirable guys, never have that option.
@noonoo:
No, i admitted to having a not-huge peepee.
But what you just did, only reinforces the assertion that “anything less than huge is not enough.”
But i already figured that out a long time ago, so i won’t pretend to be shocked.
Anything less than huge is not enough, you are correct.
You have a small peepee, hehe.
I suppose my question would be. Why do you want everyone to agree with you? You make it farily clear on a constant basis how messed up and unfair you think the world is. You also make it clear that you don’t see any possiblity of that changing any time soon. Your perspective on life has made you incredibly bitter and resentful. Even if you convinced everyone on this site that your views and perspective is completely accurate, what benefit would that serve to any of them? All it does is bring you constant misery and suffering to see the world the way you do. So is there some point to trying to share that misery and suffering with others? Its like you are in some kind of inescapable trap, yet you want to drag everyone else into the trap with you. The trap is still inescapable no matter how many people are stuck in it. All it does is share the misery, to bring more people into the trap.
@NooNoo
oh my god i love you, hahaha
@CN
Crying rivers for you, man, crying rivers. It’s *such* a surprise that women aren’t attracted to you with your lovely personality, I’m shocked
@SB: no, see, you’re assuming that i subscribe to your way of thinking, which i don’t. All that stuff i said about “choosing how you feel,” was done for the purpose of pointing out that we don’t always get to simply choose how to feel or whether to care. Sometimes, shit happens that you can’t control, and your life can even be ruined because of it.
But what you CAN choose, is to simply disregard anything you might not like that i’ve expressed. But instead, you choose “to be a *****,” because you think that’s cool. You like portraying yourself that way, for whatever reason, and so you’re basically role playing.
Motives are starting to take shape. It seems as though you’re only here saying these things “to be a *****.” That seems like a pretty shitty purpose or motive.
I’m here because i hate my life and am perpetually afflicted by things i didn’t choose and can’t change. I’m not here “to be a *****,” like you are. I’m here because i was thinking of suicide and ended up finding this website, and ended up finding some kind of value or meaning in participating here, whether you like my methods or not.
Not everything is about you. Not everything is about me, either. But just because it’s about someone else, that doesn’t mean my experiences or insights are invalid. It just means that people need to develop their minds a little further, to be able to understand how to find anything useful in any of what i say. Some people seem to do this already, without my having to explain it to them. You, on the other hand, seem to need some help.
You can be annoyed if you want. But i don’t have to care enough to alter my actions just for you. I’m not doing anything to you, or because of you, or about you.
Instead, you’re singling me out and trying to make me feel bad for “annoying you,” when whether you’re annoyed is entirely irrelevant… at least, it was, until you started spewing your garbage all over the place and trying to act like i should obey your commands, just because you felt annoyed by something you chose to read.
Oh so now you’re mocking me for the way i was born?
And i’m supposed to consider your opinion valid?
lol.
“Your perspective on life has made you…”
NOPE! Wrong. My experiences in life have made my perspective. Your assertion is, again, backwards.
“It’s like… you want to drag everyone into the trap with you…”
NOPE!
It isn’t “like that” at all.
You people continually gang up on me in order to misrepresent me, and i guess that’s because you just really want to make me seem like something i’m not.
Who does that?
What kind of person does that make all of you?
Not the kind i like or value, that’s for sure.
Not the kind i like or value, that’s for sure.
Well obviously those feelings are mutual or none of us would be having this discussion. The thing is those of us that don’t like you and don’t value you. Get to read your suffering and frustration on a daily basis. I am actually on the opposite end of the spectrum from SB. I don’t mind your posts/comments at all, if anything I think of them as some small daily proof of the existance of karma. The constant suffering and frustration shows, that sometimes people really do get what they deserve lol.
“It’s *such* a surprise that women aren’t attracted to you with your lovely personality, I’m shocked”
What’s interesting is how you judge “my personality” based on 1) how i react to your unprovoked and undeserved attacks, and 2) the size of my phallus.
Who’d have guessed! That’s not typical or anything!
You don’t know my “personality,” you know my debate tactics and my disdain. You messed with the bull, got the horns, and now you want to complain… about my “personality.”
“you catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar.”
No one comes to a suicide-related website to discuss sunshine and puppies… unless they’re talking about how they haven’t seen sunshine since they lost their puppies.
@whatamidoinghere:
Kill yourself.
@CN
haha maybe someday, but you first 🙂
actually that isn’t even true, I wouldn’t want you to kill yourself. I would much rather hope you live a very long life 🙂
There is no “karma” and you do not know what i deserve.
Stendarr’s Babe and WhatANiceDay – please stop. It is obvious that cl has grave depression issues. I understand your irritation, but have come to the conclusion that arguing and reasoning with him is akin to doing so with the radio.
He is in an inescapable, closed loop, which disallows any outside information input, be it logic, reasoning or even lending help. Because of that, all the arguing here only achieves 2 things – provides him with a stage to vent, which I hope is therapeutic for him, but at the same time multiples his anguish and solidifies his loop. On his relentlessness merry-go-round the whole world is at fault for his illness, his needs being unmet, his inability to achieve superhero status, and all this arguing just makes him feel more right and more justified.
I think that what he needs is not logical argumentation and other points of view (regardless that it seems that way), but professional help 24×7 in a stress-free and distractions-free environment.
So please stop. It’s hurting him more, and we have to right to hurt anyone. I am very sorry for trying to bring logic to this discussion, and for being so straightforward about it. I am eating my humble pie and it tastes very bad.
And fuck you too, you fucking *****.
well said gillian, I agree with you. Nothing productive in this for any of us.
yes i have depression issues.
But just about everything you said after that, was all about attempting to disguise your still-obvious primary intention to be insulting.
Don’t act like you’re the one being reasonable and logical; you’re not. You never were in the first place. I still have no idea why you apparently wanted to pick a fight with me so badly; i don’t even know you. But you’ve been determined to cause conflict, ever since you started posting.
I have no such intention and I am very sorry that you feel this way.
wow, two lies in one sentence? Impressive.
@clevername; I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on the cackling of hens. This is the internet after all. Children, the misinformed, the ignorant, the stubbornly opinionated, the know-nothings. Anyone with a keyboard can jump onto the dog pile.
Not everyone is worth listening to.
speaking of cackling hens, cackling cocks should also be ignored, except when they constantly “cockadoodledoo” too loud and too often
Rooster’s crow, they don’t cackle. The rooster’s crow can be unpleasant when it wakes up the sleeping hens, but that’s alright. It gives ’em one more thing to cackle about.
Don’t get me started on the nagging mares.
in the meat industry, roosters are usually killed as they’re useless and don’t produce anything of value worth keeping them alive for.
Man, what’s with all the clevername bashing recently? I really enjoy his posts. I agree with a lot of his observations of the world. Not everything, but enough that I read each post and usually nod in agreement. And some of the things he says makes me challenge or re-evaluate my own views.
I guess if you don’t like it, then don’t read it.
Also, I think both sides are closing their eyes to things they don’t accept. We all do it. Some can’t accept that there are people who, because of circumstance, can’t get out of their hole. While at the same time there are those in their hole that refuse to accept there is a ladder right in front of them.
I’m not saying that clevername is ignoring his ladder. It can be true that no ladder exists, or the ladder is so rotted and broken that it’s of no use. Maybe just another pair of eyes will help him find his ladder. I don’t know his situation. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt because he knows his situation better than anyone else.
CN deserves to be bashed as he’s a misogynistic elitist as well as a whiny ***** which is annoying.
So a feminist perceives the world as a meat-market, in which anything that doesn’t stuff her belly or fill her void, is worthless?
How apt.
yes, this metaphorical belly has a need for a person to be a decent human being, anyone that does not satisfy this is indeed worthless. Unfortunately there are some people who are far below decency and definitely retain the title of useless as such
“CN deserves…”
Again, you leap to conclusions based on your own hypocritical and misguided prejudices, and stuff you just feel like imagining as if it were true.
You deserve a chance to be corrected, instead of being allowed to remain detrimentally wrong.
What happens to hens after they’re no longer useful?
I can’t get over how many times CN runs circles around SB and gillian…. and they can’t take a hint. Out witted, out classed and at some point he’ll take the high road.
A misogynistic elitist who spreads hate and fallacious sexism deserves to be coddled and kissed on the forehead? What a strange world we live in indeed
“And fuck you too, you fucking *****.”
Out-classed by someone who said that. :O
I suppose this incident is beyond mediation… Although I hate to watch from the sidelines, but I’ll wait out for now…lest I get bashed as well.
@C4
Everything outlives its usefulness eventually, but some things have more value than others before their usefulness is depleted
i see only misandry from SB, but no misogyny from myself. I don’t hate any woman for being a woman. I only hate stupid people for being so astonishingly stupid, some of whom also happen to be women, who also happen to use their own feminism as some sort of ridiculous excuse to behave as they do.
I know it sucks to have to admit to yourself that your investment was wasted… but it makes you look entirely foolish to defend the indefensible as such.
So whatever we’re able to exploit is valuable. As long as something benefits us it’s useful.
Got it. Thank you, SB.
@C4
why do you think capitalism is the most common economy system in 1st world countries? that’s the best system we can fabricate and so we must adhere to that standard
….how much longer can the tired cats get chewed up and spit out by the wisdom?
@CN
likewise I didn’t say I hate men, I hate stupid people as well and whiny bitches too, there are some people who are even amalgamations of both of those characteristics. Intelligence with no sensibility is stupidity nonetheless.
it can’t be CN who is chewing up cats because he don’t get ***** and ain’t never going to
I still don’t see where you feel entitled to dictating what or whether i may express anything.
It’s like you’re just mad for no reason at all… but surely there is some bizarre and convoluted “reasoning” behind your clearly irrational behavior.
I can’t understand how any of my previous comments can be a problem for you, without you making a conscious choice to “be” actively and arbitrarily offended.
“Intelligence with no sensibility is stupidity nonetheless.”
Such irony.
“I can’t understand how any of my previous comments can be a problem for you”
again, no sensibility is stupidity
“it can’t be CN who is chewing up cats because he don’t get ***** and ain’t never going to”
ohh yeah, reinforce that stereotype… keep going… keep trying to use sexuality as a weapon, while accusing me of being “sexist.”
it was more of a reference that you don’t get along with the ladies for some incomprehensible reason
the reason isn’t incomprehensible at all; it’s just wildly misrepresented… which, hey, isn’t that the theme and the stereotype i just referenced? It sure is.
“more of a reference,” isn’t a good enough excuse for using sex as a weapon, right after calling me sexist, from your feminism-superiority podium.
Try again.
sex is a representation of an intimate connection, unfortunately you don’t have any intimate connections with women and probably never will because of your attitude
Have you two ever talked on the phone? Maybe common ground can be found there, or CN can establish some understanding for SB’s ideas
I’d like to nominate SB and CN as the royal couple at the 1st Annual SP Prom.
I think you two would make a lovely couple as this year’s King & Queen. You’re both adorable.
In fact, it is You, SB, who are sexist and prejudiced, and in giving you the benefit of the doubt, i would lean toward the belief that you have simply been misguided by various factors. But in taking away that volunteered fairness, perhaps you are simply cruel and shallow and superficial, just like that stereotype so many who exhibit similar behaviors to yours, tend to react defensively and vehemently decry, and often disproportionately overreact to any mention of.
It’s like you’re all so afraid someone’s going to realize that the truth is not what you want everyone to think… and then they’re going to treat you differently, in ways that either eliminate your benefits, or make you have to work much harder to continue accessing them at all.
talking on the phone seems like a lot of effort, i don’t put any effort into talking to misogynistic elitists
“shallow and superficial”
says he who thinks the epitome of success is hot babes and money
“says he who thinks the epitome of success is hot babes and money”
Not sure why you assumed and keep repeating that… unless you’re just blatantly trying to misrepresent my position and character, in order to try to “make me look bad,” for whatever reason you’ve concocted.
Never said anything about “hot babes.”
Money, on the other hand, is crucial.
then tell me, CN, what do you think is the epitome of success?
Misogyistic…..that is a very hateful word. Surely you don’t mean that SB?
“It has nothing to do with being “afraid,†and everything to do with lack of access combined with too elevated personal requirements… not expectations, but requirements.”
Inform me what these “requirements” are? Elaborate please?
i’d say elimination of unwanted influences is even more important than addition of desirable experiences.
But that would require quite a bit of money. It’s not “about the money” at all; it’s about what i would do with the money, which cannot occur without a substantial amount of it.
If i could eliminate all the shit i don’t want to ever encounter again, i would be pretty content with very little else. I’d still have longing and loneliness and desire for “things,” but it would be impossible for me to forget how valuable removing myself from “all that bullshit” would actually be. Then i could actually enjoy my solitude, as a preferred choice, instead of feeling afflicted by having it imposed upon me by lack of access to any viable solution.
@BA
CN continuously reiterates his hatred towards feminism which is literally “the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.” if you hate women’s rights you are a misogynist. Not to mention is fallacious assumptions he’s created about women. A comment of his that I love is
“Feminists are the real bigots, but because most women are naturally irrational and deceptive, and have no need of reality or logic, they don’t even understand what bigotry means”
on the thread “the world is fucked” :’) :’)
feminism is intentionally misrepresented by its own proponents. We’ve been over this, and it’s documented elsewhere by people who don’t even know i exist.
feminism isn’t about equality or equivalence at all. You can keep insisting it is, but all the documented evidence is out there for everyone to see, and to continue clinging to a blatant misrepresentation of that ideal, is absurd.
What i hate is how “feminists” preach female superiority under the guise of “equality.” It’s bullshit. And saying i hate that, has nothing to do with denying any woman any rights.
But you “feminists” continue attempting to use the “appeal to popularity” fallacy, and try to gang up on everyone who sees through your false paradigm, because you know you can just pull out that vagina card and people will back you up, even if you’re wrong, because that’s the kind of privilege already afforded to most females, despite all their claims of alleged oppression (which WERE valid in the past, but are far less so in today’s world).
Ouch CN…..did you really say that?
you’re also employing “argumentum ad nauseam,” in that you continually reiterate your same fallacious position. You keep insisting the definition of feminism is as stated by the doctrine, when in fact, it is not, and has already been shown, repeatedly, to be a gross misrepresentation of what feminism actually does, and actually promotes: “female superiority, under the guise of equality.” That is what’s real, and of course, i can see why none of you would want to admit that. But then you go around using that same sexism you accuse everyone else of, which makes you worse, because you’re decrying it while employing it, essentially demanding that only women be allowed such behaviors, but not men… therefore further polarizing the issue, and creating even more of a problem… and then perpetuating that problem, “ad nauseam,” thinking that you’ll get your way via attrition… even if your way is wrong. You insist, persist, and declare anyone who disagrees, an enemy, and then launch propaganda and psychological warfare upon your opposition.
Binary Analyst – I was hoping you’d be inspired by my bright example and stop pushing your finger in the meat grinder ; – )
No offense meant by that, Stendarr’s Babe. I wholeheartedly agree with you that no change will ever come if we remain complacent. Women still wouldn’t be allowed to vote or own real estate if they did not bother to stand up to themselves. I admire how logical and bulls-eye your arguments are. It’s just that I’m tired of fighting with crazy people.. too many of them. everywhere. pathetic little men who’s only chance of feeling superior is by bashing women.
So, maybe not today. Maybe tomorrow, maybe some other day.
Women are so superior that they are still underpaid (77cents on the dollar vs men, on average), more often than not bypassed for a promotion in favor of a man, etc etc etc.
On top of the pay discrimination, we have to endure uneducated men frothing on their fingers with hatred and envy, because of their own unresolved issues, and it’s just too much and too often.
gillian….what’s your story? You have a suicidal past? You just here to spread advice around? You obviously do not listen to any suggestions or engage in mutual understanding of other’s views.
Do you have a job?
“.77 on the dollar”
I suggest you look at the latest statistics lady gaga
Next thing you’ll say gas is .59 cents a gallon.
Blue Amaranth, thank you for that character assassination, you seem to know me so well that there’s really nothing else to say, but to leave it all to your vivid imagination : )
Baby Akita: the president said the 77 cents on the dollar thing, in his latest State of the Union address.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jan/29/barack-obama/barack-obama-state-union-says-women-make-77-cents-/
Now lets the bashing about keeping up with relevant (to me) economic news start all over again..
Btw, I know you are veeeery curious so here’s a piece of personal info, very specially for you : I have 2 advanced degrees (for which I paid myself & scholarships). Enjoy because it’s the first and last one.
You guys seem to be more on edge than when I posted this yesterday.
Look, this post was never meant to be ground zero for a clusterfuck argument. That’s what YouTube is for….lol.
And CL, I have nothing against you but telling someone to kill themselves on a website for suicidal stories isn’t a good idea.
Other than that I really think you guys need to relax and maybe take this to email or just stop talking period.
Baby Akita: see my comment in the waiting moderation pile (it has a long url reference for that 77 cent fact and got flagged because of it).
After you read it, please feel free to put foot in mouth (maybe wash it first)
gillian, you should come clean. Many on sp wonder what your motives are……including me, don’t play the assissinated character while you think of clever undertones to breathe out…. let’s hear it, I’m waiting.
buscetti, can you delete this whole thread or maybe just all comments in it? you’re the author and should – theoretically -have supreme powers
Sounds to me like it got flagged and tossed in the trash for good reason.
I have some statistics for you sweetheart.
gillian, if you want I’ll give you my email address and cell phone number. Just in case this post gets deleted. 🙂
Bisector – don’t projecting your unhealthy curiosity on others.
No, thank you. I find you a bit scary.
I know well that you guys don’t realize it, but people tend to avoid depressed people not because the latter aren’t pleasant. It’s more because of the responsibility such a connection carries – what if you do something to yourselves and they didn’t manage to stop you?
It’s a burden, and it’s scary, and then it haunts you for the rest of your life.
Unhealthy curiosity? what?
The way you spin things is unbelievable.
And thank you for drawing a line in the sand between you and “them”. Considering you’re not depressed and not like “us”. Which begs to question……what are you doing here and who are you
…..can’t wait to see this little politician worm her way out of this dirt bath….
No, I am not currently suicidal. If you want a copy of my resume, you can’t have it.
Also, I don’t have to be here. I am assuming that you’d rather I leave, isn’t that right?
Good day, Bipolar. Say something nice to Hannah when she turns up again, for me.
I wonder what field of study Giggles holds her two advanced degrees in?
Knitting?
Basket Weaving?
Fashion?
Nutrition?
Astrology?
Interior Design?
Baking?
Scrap Booking?
I think we can safely rule out anything which requires objectivity and/or critical thinking.
gillian?
Why are logical questions off the table for you? I don’t see how separation will improve anyone’s situation. Don’t leave, not when I’m so close to figuring you out….
Cosmic Blip…..
I would say her two degrees are in…
1.)scrap booking
2.)self righteousness
Hahahahaha. High 5!!!!
material science & engineering first and applied mathematics later.
remember me next time you decide to be a B.A**
so long and thanks for all the fish 😉
That’s difficult to believe. You never took any courses in logic, huh? Or did you forget everything you learned?
I happen to be the prince of Nairobi. My soon-to-be ex wife is a mermaid who used to model lingerie for Victoria’s Secret.
gillian, when you work your issues out, I’ll be here like I’ve always been.
Good job on the degrees. University of Phoenix?
Clevername gets attacked by religious zealots, feminists and stupid people all the time on here. Feel sorry for the dude.
“Religious zealots, feminists and stupid people”
Does that mean religious zealots and feminists arent stupid people? Thats so kind of you.
clever, i have a question for you.
do you ever wonder why your personality gets dissected so much on this site?
should mention tl;kr
too long..kinda read. first 10 posts maybe
I don’t make the rules relating to your level of stupidity so I’m not sure. I’m certain of this, that Clevername is a better person than all of you. He’s more trustworthy.
yah most def, more of a man than i’ll ever be 🙁
The same people who occupy the outside world also go online. You’ll find just as many brain dead idiots here as you’ll find out there.
In both spots, the retards never know that they’re retards. They spout the same nonsense outdoors as they type onto their keyboard, never realizing that maybe THEY are the problem, not the person they’re denigrating.
This was a helluva entertaining witch hunt. I’m glad clevername was able to prevail against the H8ters.
we’re all retards
? I think you’re a charming Scorpio, scarred kitty. Are you sure you’re not confusing yourself with someone else? (Yer kewl).
Man, I come back after a day and a half and this thread is still going.
All rise, as we begin this case of
The People vs Clevername and The Dudes vs The Chicks
For Christ’s sake guys, I object. I think it’s time for a recess. distant.road is going to off himself on the spot if he sees the comments on this post.
I’m positive distant.road is a female….
Hmm… I thought I read a comment of his before where he referred to himself as male. Maybe I’m just remembering wrong though.
It’s all good. At least you’re not beating a dead horse like all these naysayers are with clevername
Well, I didn’t want to go anywhere near getting into this one. Never seen the “kill yourself” bomb dropped here before. Not that you could say it was entirely uncalled for.