I tried messaging and approaching girls on dating sites in various ways and I have only failed so far. They either didn’t respond or we exchanged a couple of messages and then they didn’t respond. One even deleted her account after we messaged a few times -.-
Can you tell me what you would want to hear from a stranger if you were on a dating site? I mean, it doesn’t really matter what you write in those first few messages; meeting someone in person is way more important, that is when you really get to know each other and can decide whether you like the other person or not.
I suppose girls get dozens of messages a day from all kinds of men, half of them which are only looking for sex and others who wouldn’t appreciate a relationship at all (that’s just my guess). I understand that they can’t know for sure that I’m not that kind of guy.
If this sounds stupid to you you’re probably right. But this is a website for crazy maniacs, so please don’t tell me how pathetic this is.
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I don’t place much importance on dating and establishing relationships in itself; it just happens. The important things are always simple and the simple things are always hard, so I keep things relatively unimportant and complex, which makes my life somewhat easier.
I’ll admit I’ve talked with a few girls from here, one (after a sustained period of six months) has even admitted she’s in love with me which is both impossible and unfounded. I’ve taken the same approach with them as I have with everyone in my life; I don’t care what you want to see, this is what you’ll get. I’m honest to a point and keep balance between myself and the other person at all times and so far it has worked out.
This is a guy’s perspective, but I’m sure one of the females on here can shed some light on this situation for you.
start with respect.
women like that.
see how they respond.
You can get a good sense if you have quality or a piece of crap.
A good female is hard to find nowadays.
Most are selfish and self centered, definitely not worth my time.
The few good female friends I have are high quality, including the one in love with me now.
If i say “it just happens” i will look back on my life in 20 years when Ill still be alone and Ill hate myself for thinking that relationships just fall from heaven. For guys who meet new girls every day, you would be right, but that is obviously not the case with me.
I obviously know that being disrespectful isnt going to help me. The problem with messaging is that you can’t know whether the other person is being honest or just faking everything he says. You cant (or can only barely) do that when you meet someone in person. So I can’t really convince anyone I am being honest myself.
IM having the same problem, apparently humour is good, but my jokes must suck, and im not so sure being respectful work either, i mean we do that all the time yet its guys who treat women badly that have loads of them, perhaps you have to pretend to be a monumental tosser or something
how can you respect someone you don’t know?
And you’ve got to consider what kinds of females might use a “dating site.”
As much as i tend to despise the userbase of okcupid, they actually have some good articles on how it all works, some game theory, and what and why to expect.
It’s kinda like people-shopping. You’re going to bypass anything that has features you know you don’t want, and gravitate toward anything that has features you do want. You’re going to find a lot of overlap between feature sets, and you’re going to find that most of the “acceptably attractive” people (of either gender), will be highly selective, and will most likely disregard anyone whose profile doesn’t “compel” them.
You want to know the real trick?
Be what they want. Be whatever they think they want, and also what they actually want. If you can do that, you’ll have a plethora of options. If you can’t do that… you probably already know, and why. That’s why i disabled my account there, quite a while ago. I searched as hard as i could, as long as i could, with the most relaxed and loose possible filters i could tolerate, with bare minimum criteria, and could not find a single compatible female. There were a lot of almosts (closer for me than for them), but ultimately, my region just doesn’t produce compatible females. I would need to move to the west coast (cali/oregon/washington), or maybe colorado (because weed and mountains). Since i can’t do that, i have no chance. It all comes down to having reliable and sufficient income, so that you can cultivate yourself into something appealing for those you’d like to attract.
Money isn’t the problem in my case, and I am only 21 so I wouldn’t think girls at my age look for someone who has a highly paid job already. And I even think if I get to meet someone in person I am not that unappealing (call me stupid if you want). My problem really lies in the first contact that I make with other girls.
“how can you respect someone you don’t know?”
I obviously don’t truly respect them if I don’t know whether they are respectable, but being polite and “paying some respect in advance” is probably better than the opposite.
“And you’ve got to consider what kinds of females might use a “dating site.†”
Well, both of us are or have been using a dating site, so doesn’t that prove there are decent people there? Ok…
“It’s kinda like people-shopping”
Yeah, I dislike the process of getting to know people on dating sites as well, I just (guess I) like the result.
Using this very site as an example, plenty of girls have already decide how their lives should unfold, even as early as their teens. Younger girls who have internet access and use dating sites, most likely have higher expectations. There’s a high chance that late-teens/early-twenties is the time they expect to meet someone who seems to represent both appeal and the future security of reliable and sufficient earning potential. Not saying you have to be rich, but you can’t be poor, especially on the internet.
I certainly wasn’t implying that anyone should be disrespectful with first impressions. 😛
But respect is earned, not granted. It seems lots of dating site members expect to be respected for who they claim to be, while it is well established that quite a lot of people are indeed not exactly who they claim to be, especially on dating sites, where there is a clear incentive to tastefully embellish, or even employ blatant hyperbole, in order to entice more and higher quality selections.
Also: different people define “decent” differently… not to mention, many people are not looking for “decent,” but rather, extraordinary or exceptional. They’re shopping for /the best/, not “just good enough,” aka “decent.” Decent is only part of the equation, and as i’ve frequently observed, the definition thereof, tends to have a rather wide spectrum of variance, and is often a bit elevated.
I would say i saw a lot of “decent” females in my searches… but that doesn’t mean they would define me as such. And though i’m sure some of them would indeed call me “a decent person,” that also doesn’t mean i’m what they’re looking for, or that they would even consider me as an option.
The thing about dating sites is that you can “get yourself out there,” and view a plethora of potentially appealing potential mates. But then, the recently referenced selection pool saturation problem manifests, in which people become even more highly selective, in the presence of a much higher quantity of options.
Honestly, you’d have a better chance just striking up conversation with someone in person, than you would with that same person through the internet. The in-person approach bypasses the automated and more strict selection process, and allows you to showcase who you are, immediately, in real time, through your mannerisms, and even your pheromones.
From a more intellectual perspective, i have to say the idea(l) of a dating site seems like it should be better… but it carries the consequence of allowing people to prejudge quite superficially, and rule you out, before you ever have a real chance, before they ever give you a real chance. They might think they wouldn’t like you, based on your profile, and/or the content, context, and styling of your contact initiation… but in person, they might react very differently; which will never happen if they rule you out based on your profile/messages.
I would think that finding a local activity/gathering hub, and just confidently approaching various individuals, might yield better results. Or it might not. There are many factors in play… and what i was essentially getting at, is how dating sites kinda take all the “human” out of the process, which may not be such a good thing, for some people (which is actually documented as being a well-known caveat of using any dating site). You might get ruled out forever on a dating site, by someone who might have liked you upon a spontaneous in-person encounter.
Dating sites are all about looking great on paper, in pictures, and “selling yourself.” It’s nearly identical to shopping for used PC hardware on ebay. lol. You gotta find good used gear, then either make the best offer, or click “buy now.” And then wait to see if it turns out to be as good as expected.
ClairDeLune is a man?
Yes noonoo. Men can be just as wacky as the members of your tribe. 🙂
As a guy, all I can say is keep your first message short, but don’t just send a nothing message (“Hi”, “How are you?”, “What’s up?”, etc.). Find something in their profile and ask about it. Give them a reason to respond.
If you end up with a response, move the conversation along, and try to set up a meet sooner than later for two reasons. One, if she is really interested she will want to meet and two if you wait too long she may think you are not serious.
But yeah, online dating for guys can be tough. You send like 10 messages and maybe get one response. Though they may not admit, attractiveness is very important, especially in online dating. If she doesn’t find you attractive, she may not even bother to read your message or profile.
“Clair” gives off the wrong impression.
it’s a song.
I googled the username. French for moonlight. I knew I should’ve picked french.
I get what you’re saying noonoo. People on this very site have mistaken my gender too. Something about floppy tits I think lead to the misunderstanding.
I still think you’re a woman, Lucy. You use motorcycles and cars to try to mask your femininity, but it slips through.
My inner child is an angsty, 16 year old lesbian, so you’re not entirely wrong.
How are ya, kiddo?
Are you “just saying no” to the ketamine?
I’d say I was spot on.
I am bored, how are you?
I’m currently off ketamine, but I’d much rather be on it. It provided a high and a low and I’d greatly prefer that to be consistently on the same level throughout the day. I’m just waiting for something to happen at this point, there’s nothing going on that really breaks up the day and makes me feel as if it was worthwhile. I’m not actively suicidal though, so I’ve got that going for me.
“just confidently approaching various individuals”
… replace confidently with hilariously pathetic
You’re totally right about dating sites, and if I had a choice I wouldn’t use the internet to get to know someone; but I guess you already know a little of me from SP and why I suck at other options.
@noonoo12: I don’t know any French and yes, I’m a guy.
Yeah, sobriety is over rated. I don’t understand how “normal” people get through life not being on anything. I suppose they’re high on religion, love, or whatever else it is that takes the edge off.
I’m alright. Thanks for asking, noonoo.
I used a telephone dating service in the late nineties and it was dreadful, I got on well over the phone, making them laugh etc., but when they met me I could see the disappointment in their faces, not very attractive you see, one woman tried to drive off which was when I decide to ‘knock it on the head’ and give up my membership and use other means of meeting. My experience of women using dating agencies is that they tend to have a high expectation and will pass by a decent man for the next one in the hope of Mr Right. I’m still waiting for Ms Right.