I am finally gonna buy it online for a 24 month subscription once I get my gift card. I hope this golden book will guide me to the pearly gates of eternal nothingness.
The reason I’m still here, as many of you know, is due to my lack of appropriate resources, and my desire to die a peaceful and calming death. I consider myself a student at the College of Suicidology with the goal of graduating from life with a Masters Degree in death.
Despite what our CULTure and the psychiatric establishment thinks about euthanasia, I own myself, they do not own me! I don’t have to submit to there rules because I am cleaver, sound of mind, and strong willed enough to make my up my own rules in accordance with who I am and my situation.
I feel a sense of relief in knowing that a peaceful death of my own free will IS possible. It’s gonna be awhile unfortunately, but with a lot of hard work, research, and finding the right sources, I know I will get what I want and need!
I will not allow my counselor or psychiatrist to make choices for me. That’s up to me, not them. I will not submit to there agendas. If they ever did send me to a psyche ward for wanting to end my life (hypothetical scenario), I will see myself as s political prisoner and make it clear to everyone there. Than once my stay is over, and the white coat fascists let me leave there institution, I will continue the fight – my one man revolution. If I cannot live in peace, than let me die in peace!!!
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Also I want to clarify that I’m not against the psychiatric community unless it disrupts someone’s free will and right to die. I don’t think they see themselves as white coat fascists nor would they see me as a political prisoner, but a patient that they think is in need of help. My experience would see that, not them. i use colorful language and don’t want to come off as delusional. I often write in somewhat of a poetic fashion.
zillions of posts about euthanasia. no one post that Can tell his problems. discribed his problem ones, indirectly as mental illness. but can right posts alot of times without any problem. can communicate with others with out any problem. somebody gave him a “legitimate like “reason why euthanasia is hard to be part of a law. he was expected to reply, he doesn’t for whatever fggk reason. he thinks he is part of some kinda freedom movment. he hates people who are trying everything possible too help him amap. he call them facists. what he want is a society that will gas chamber someone, when he is seen as misfit. just like isis and Nazis.
Oh my first personal attack! Oh goodie! I already told this group my problems in many posts I made. You must have been out of town. Btw, the Nazis T-4 Euthanasia program is totally against what i stand for. I believe in choice where victims of the nazis did not have a choice. I believe in voluntary euthanasia for the terminally and mentally ill. I base this on my own personal experiences and the experiences of others. I won’t stoop to your level so I’m gonna once again tell you my problems – I have had a miserable life since I can first remember. I have major depressive disorder, paranoid personality disorder, avoidant and dependent personality disorder and severe anxiety. I tried for decades to get help to no avail. My problems stem from both genetic and trauma ranging from my childhood until recently. I have been abused as well. Since you have not walked a mile in my shoes, you are not qualified to pass judgment on me or my experiences. I am a great communicator. So? That says nothing about the extent of my own pain and mental disabilities. It does, however, prove I’m sound of mind and nor whimsical in my belief system. I’m 31 years old on SSI with no drivers licens and never had a job because of my mental illnesses. They destroyed my life and is incurable in my situation.
And btw, I am apart of some sort of “freedom movement”. It’s called the right to die! I also give advice discouraging people from trying suicide methods that will most likely fail or cause a lot of pain. I am an advocate for personal choice. If your against voluntary euthanasia than fine. But please understand the difference between voluntary euthanasia (like in Belgium) and involuntary euthanasia (like in Nazi Germany).
I am a bioethicist, suffering abolitionist, and a pro choice advocate. Btw, the legislation I proposed was damn good!
And btw, I don’t hate people who try to help me. I love many of them. But I get frustrated when they think they know what’s best for me. It’s a natural reaction. You don’t like to be told what to do ether do ya? Wouldn’t that frustrate the hell out of you?
Eh..It’s a matter of opinion. Whether the right to die becomes a law is out of our hands. One person cannot make that decision. If he believes it should become available for those who want it, he’s allowed to.
Animosity towards those “trying to help” is pretty normal. When you deal with mental illness it’s like going around in circles. You do the best you can and if you’re lucky to find a way out it’s a beautiful thing. But it can be exhausting, and the advice given by others can help a bit, but it’s still a life long struggle.
The Nazi comparison is different from what wndozh8er has outlined. The Nazis were trying to create a superior society by killing those they deemed inferior. Right to die gives a person who is ill a choice to end their lives. The government does not kill these people based on some twisted ideology, it’s the patient’s choice.
I think you misunderstood him and maybe it would be best if he explained it to you more. Not everyone is going to agree 100% on this issue because we each have different views.
This was directed toward Joinel.
Thank you for getting my back, I agree with everything you said. I absolutely hate racism, Nazism or any kind of authoritarianism. What the Nazis did and what I want to see are totally different. I believe in rational choice in life and death matters. Joinel absolutely misunderstood me.
I remember back when Terri Shiavo was taken off her feeding tube, people, especially the religious and conservative community compared that to nazism too.
Of course. 🙂 Joinel’s comments were harsh and seemed more like a personal attack than one disagreeing with your stance on the issue. Hopefully he will come back and explain his views a little better.
I was a little young but I do remember news coverage of Terri. It was only later did I find out she suffered from an eating disorder. I hope she is at peace now.
Thank you for your kind comments. I wasn’t offended. I’m more interested in what else he has to say about his own views. I explained a lot about my early childhood when I first got on here and said in passing what I suffered from and the causalities of it. I touched up on my other problems later in life to. There’s a lot I didn’t go into in great detail because thinking about this stuff brings out flashbacks. Plus there’s so much to explain I feel like I gotta write a book and get caught up in details, which makes me feel overwhelmed and mentally exhausted. But I’m thinking about posting a short version of my entire biography on here. Nothing as deep as I posted about my early childhood, but just enough to give everyone an understanding of what I went though.
I look forward to reading it. I like to learn about the experiences of others and what lead them here. It’s good you weren’t offended and are willing to debate on this issue. I can tell you care about others and don’t want to see them suffer, so you’re fighting not only for yourself but for others who wish to have this choice.
Thank you for your efforts! 🙂
Awwww thank you so much! That means a lot to me. This message board as some amazing people like you and many others. I do care a lot and empathize with there pain. I can tell your the same way. I found my Tribe in this group
Joinel, what do you believe when it comes to euthanasia?
nazism wasn’t an authoritative movment. it was a social movment. at that time people(society ) believed blacks are inferior, so They make them slaves. everybody was completely sure about their prejudice and decision . but Do you know what this retard cult(believe, prejudice ) produce? Nazis. Nazis believe that “if blacks are inferior because of their skin, then the ones in the top societal hierarchy should be those that doesn’t have any black features on them. ” this is why They believe people that, blonde haired people are better than people with black hair. people with blue eyes are better than people with black eyes. so On…. you see the hate against black? and the disaster it produced. so What does this has to do with euthanasia?well! the matter of fact is, it has every relation to it. first it will start with terminally ill (just like the above awful story started with blacks. ), and do you know where it will end? i think you’re smart enough to guess it.if you read some of your euthanasia threads, i have stated my stance on euthanasia on few of your posts, i will try to copy paste it or something.
The Nazis where a totalitarian social and political movement. They banned all freedoms in there country and massacred The Jews, other races, and anyone else who disagreed with them. They also attempted to take over the entire western world. How can you make an argument that they was not authoritive? They where authoritarian to the max! Hitler had blue eyes and black hair, and so did most of his party members. While he did say that blond hair and blue eyed people where the purest “Aryans”, he didn’t put them above the rest of the German people in his hierarchy.
It’s a logical fallacy to claim that I believe in what Hitler did because I stand for the right to choose. What separates pro choice from what the nazis did is reason. For example: Hitler FORCED people to be euthanized. The REASON was that he thought they where inferior. I believe that people who are terminally and mentally il should have the CHOICE to be euthanized, the REASON is because I don’t want them to be FORCED to suffer. I don’t think they are inferior. I can make an argument that it’s more fascistic to FORCE a dying man or a mentally ill patient to live against there will.
people make these same kind of logical fallacies about other things like war and the death penalty. Hitler had the death penalty to silence innocent opposition, we have it to silence mass murderers.
Another example would be war. We went to war in Afghanistan, and Hitler went to war with Poland. But our reasons were justified, the Nazis just wanted conquest.
“believe people that “=believe that.
incase you’re typo sensitive.
suicideproject.org/2015/08/it-would-be-great-to-be-born-in-belgium/
Yes. So I could have better access to euthanasia for ME! Its about choice, not force! Again, there is a huge difference.
incase you want to know how bad your movment may go read the lists i wrote in this post.
suicideproject.org/2015/08/my-bioethics-agenda/
Notice how I emphasize PERSONAL CHOICE over FORCE? my belief system is rooted in the ideas of freedom, not oppression. Also I mentioned future technology that can cryogenically preserve someone who is terminally or mentally ill so they can be revived in a future when these illnesses are cured if they CHOSE TO
I am absolutely opposed to involuntary euthanasia. If someone is terminally or mentally ill and want to live, then they should be taken care of until the end with top quality pallitive care. Hitler on the other hand would have killed them forcefully
finally, if i have offended anyone, kindly accept my apologies !
This has been really fun! Nailed it!
In my closing statement, I would like to emphasize the huge difference between choice and force when it comes to euthanasia. I would consider it barbaric and evil to forcefully euthanize someone on there death bed against there will. However, it’s equally as barbaric to force someone on there death bed to stay alive against there will.
Thanks doe the debate. This was a very easy one for me! I need more of a challenge. If you ever want to debate on anything from politics to religion and other things, bring it on 🙂
hitler doesn’t make nazis. it was the german people them selves who make Nazi. he was just their leader. for that reason Hitler wasn’t authocrative, but Rather a leader. a leader of people who believe that… people with black features are inferior. their for their aryans are people with out black features. hitlrt has more white features than more black features, that is why He aryan. but Those with full non black features were more aryan and he had confess to it, as well as fought for it.
their is no such a thing as free will. i think i have made that clear on one of the post links. what do you say about that? what do you say about the individuals and groups as well as, even big companies that wiill abuse the law? this is unavoidable and i am sure you are capable of realising it! what is your stance about bullying and the people who will be suicidal too? let’s give them death? what about the law getting expanded to include other people with disabilities, whome despite their disability, are willing to live life? even if they are not forced to go with euthanasia… don’t you think they will be pressured to go with it when The law became a societal norm?don’t ignore this question! thank you !
sorry i didn’t saw your replies when i wrote this.
That’s ok
Hitler brainwashed a desperate nation. You can’t make an argument that he wasn’t a psychopathic totalitarian dictator. The nazi movement wouldn’t even have came to power if it wasn’t for him. Yes there where nazis, but he spearheaded the movement. He was the most evil man who ever existed.
he is a psychopath, i will definitely agree with you about that. but He didn’t created anything and brain washed them from the start. he took advantage of, what could be exploited from the german society (that is what Politicians and psychopath’s do. ). the best he found was the anti black and the anti jew propoganda. blacks were hated by germans because of their black features (as i stated above ) and jews were hated because of the church. other main important reason the jew were hated by German’s were because of the great
depression that hit Germany. ofcourse the reson were the sanction on germany because of world war I. but the people at the time without any connection blamed it on the jews. (pro Nazis still blame the jews for every problem btw even at this time ). summery, hitler didn’t create anything, he take advantage of something that could be exploited. now all I want to see is another psychopath who will exploit (abuse ) your euthanasia law. O:-)could that man be Donald trump? B-) i wish the best for everybody including you. so Long!
You’re not going to kill yourself. I know you won’t. This is not a challenge but an observation.
I’m curious as why you think that? I’m working pretty hard on obtaining the right tools to do it with, gonna pay 85 dollars out of pocket for the peaceful pill eHandbook and saving up money. The difference between me and a lot of suicidal people is that I wanna make sure to do everything right the first time with no suffering.
After the epill book get ready to spend something like 450usd. Been there, haha.
Why do much money? 450 for the stuff I need?
Ow, that’s a bit
Yup. According to the ebook there are just no cheap sure-thing methods that don’t include some sort of violence or even danger to others (at least from what i can remember).
And yeah, 450 is quite a bit (now it’s worse for those outside the us, since the dollar value skyrocketed). I’m saving up for that.
In the ebook, do they tell you of ways of getting the Numbital without having to travel overseas?
Yup, i got some last year. Since i can’t actually off myself for a while (family stuff, long story) i ended up using it for it’s intended purpose (sleeping aid) knowing that i’ll have to get some again, eventually. I miss being able to sleep normally, lol.
The problem of getting it tho is the customs, i don’t know how strict those are where you are, but since the last thing i read the epill book there’s been a lot more awareness about it, so it’s a bit of a gamble depending on where you are located. Still, maybe another method in the book works for you, but for me it was the only option since i can’t afford to make it even harder for the one person that might get affected (and i don’t want to fail again either).
You are knowledgable on many levels wndozh8er. Your Ideas amaze me. If it so happens that you don’t kill yourself, your ideas could be promulgated to destroy the irrational attachment that the general world populace has toward life. The system always seeks to preserve us as assets because we are functional cogs in the machine. In my country, you can earn yourself a jail term for attempted suicide. It’s absurd.
Thank you so much jade! That is insane that you can be thrown in jail in some countries for attempting suicide. Steel bars will only encourage more attempts.
Babies don’t go to jail for being born, even though they didn’t ask to be born…
Wait, babies shouldn’t be put in jail. Maybe, parents don’t go to jail for giving birth…