Anyone who’s ever studied statistics knows that #s are easily manipulated to show whatever results you want it to show. I studied stats in college, but moreover, you can easily see conflicting “evidence” on different sites by different sources for things- each side has their own agenda, and so whatever “data” that proves their point is suspect. That goes with the other side as well, whatever that other side is.
Case in point- back in the day, “studies” used to show how great Cocaine was for medicines/health/etc. All those studies just “happened” to be funded by Merck/Pfizer/industries (what a coincidence!). And you had Dr’s on TV and ads saying how great Cocaine was. Same for Cigarettes. I grew up with those ads saying “2 out of 3 Dr’s recommend so-and-so brand of cigarettes.”
Nothing is fucking real. Don’t believe the “studies” and stats being pedaled to you today. Know that almost every single “study” has an agenda behind it.
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@Soda:
posting it here as to not hijack @thehusks post
“Last I read the cops only solve about 2/3rds of their cases, the rest are unsolved, people get away with it”
>You really have confidence in these studies/reports/stats and in our cops. The real truth is a much much lower solve rate. The “stats” they publish are bullshit. Just like how Japan “technically” has a near 95% clearance rate for homicides compared to 60% in the US. Yeah, it’s easy to have a 95% clearance rate if you put some other criminal in jail for something another criminal did (this happens routinely in the USA as well). Or just plain not allowing crimes to be reported in the first place. There’s a ton of ways to manipulate this data, and they do manipulate that data so the crime rate isn’t shown to be so high or the crime solve rate isn’t shown to be so low (and showing just how incompetent our police/detectives are).
I’ve been a victim of a few crimes and the 2 times I/we tried to report them, in both instances, they refused to even take a report! (different cops, different cities/states, separate crimes). So yeah, the “solve” rate is so high bc the #s are fucking bullshit.
And I was a victim of a 3rd crime but I knew cops wouldn’t do shit so I never reported that one.
Anyhow, just sayin’- don’t believe everything you read. Those “stats” are wrong. The solve rate is definitely NOT 2/3.
I wish we lived in a world where there’s at least that much justice, but we don’t.
I think most intelligent people know that stats can be manipulated and we can’t be 100% sure they are reliable….I’ve taken a course in stats in my program also…if you’re taking samples of opinions (like voting for instance), they tend to be fairly accurate.
While we know people can play with the numbers to sway views, we also shouldn’t fall for the trap that says none of them are accurate or trustworthy…one would have to do some deeper research.
I was making a general point…in my response to Husk. And I agree that a lot of injustice goes on with the authorities and reporting crimes.
I’m just sayin’- the “solve” rate is definitely not 2/3. Especially not in the USA. Maybe it is in Canada, who knows, I don’t know what it’s like there. But in the USA, land of incompetent fools…it sure isn’t 2/3.
I did a brief search on the US- data for the US also shows a 60-66% “close” rate, which I do not believe. So many crimes aren’t even written up and documented. No documented crime = no crime = don’t have to solve jack!
I hear you…I also know in some cases the cops barely do anything to solve a crime. We’re all over the map right now.
There are idiots who want to ‘defund the police’ because of mishandling cases or allegedly being racist…I think that’s a mistake. The solution to bad policing is better policing.
The cops/judiciary are holding the line between civilization and chaos/anarchy…so we need a good and fair system…I also think jails are terrible places.
I’m not saying they should be like a 5* hotel, but I think the European model is right…at least let people live in dignified conditions.
the nordic model, based on documentaries i’ve watched- is insanely amazing- there they rehabilitate rather than punish. their prisons literally have NO locks and the prisoners can just walk off if they wanted to- but they don’t. they stay bc it’s nice, and bc the staff treat them like humans, and they do get rehabilitated. unlike in the US where it’s punish, punish and treat them like cockroaches, which makes them even MORE hateful and angry, and they do more bad shit bc they hate the system.
Spot on, that’s exactly what I was thinking about, maybe we saw similar documentaries.
Any of us can end up in jail for any reason, including false charges. Back in the day, just the mere accusation of sexual assault for example (esp of kids), not even proven, got people fired and jailed.
They also suffered the loss of reputation even after being proven innocent. Nowadays it’s taken more seriously and they give people the benefit of the doubt and if the accusers can’t prove it, they get jailed.
People really underestimate the value of losing their freedom, for days, months and years. It’s a terrible punishment on it’s own. Not to mention the destructive effect of a criminal record.
At the very least everyone should get their own room, privacy and be expected to keep their space clean/tidy. Also their rights should be preserved, like the right not to be violated by other prisoners.
However at the same time-and it’ll sound like I’m going to contradict myself, I also believe in an ‘eye for an eye.’ If someone brutually assaults another innocent human then they deserve the same to happen to them.
It’s a bit of a gray area as well. Let’s say that the ‘victim’ was a con-artist or criminal who stole that person’s mother’s life savings…then she became impoverished/homeless or died…(but the theft alone is enough) then the perp deserves whatever is coming to him with no backlash to his attacker (the son).
But unlike some on the Left, I don’t believe someone who intentionally harmed another human should be left off scot-free and only get some jail time in a comfortable cell…they need to suffer as their victim did also.
I think this is why US jails (and most others) are terrible places, to serve as a place of retribution for their crimes, but I think each case should be dealt with individually.
Additionally some punishments are overly harsh….like this woman who had sex with a teenager, who later reported it. Then she was unable to get a job, she ended up on a sex offender list. She had kids to look after too and was basically shunned by the community.
She was treated on the same level as a man who was a brutal rapist of kids, which makes no sense. So on this documentary, they were trying to get the laws changed.
And I’m sure we’re aware of people breaking such taboos all the time. If laws were strictly adhered to, so many more people’s lives would be ruined.
if a 19yo has sex with his 16yo gf, he can wind up on the sexual predator list. and you know why stupid laws like that exist right? the whole point is to criminalize as many ppl as possible- if you give normal ppl a criminal record, make getting jobs and housing difficult, guess what, they’re now forced to live a life of crime to survive.
it always boils down to money- the more ppl in jail/prison, the more $$$ private prisons make.
just like the more depressed ppl, the more $$ big phar..ma makes.
the more fat obese ppl there are, the more $$$ big phar..ma makes. and the more big agra makes, the more the junk food industry makes.
this applies to everything- everything ALL fucking boils down to MONEY and WHO is being enriched by it. it’s always the rich fuckers who benefit from ppl being poor, fat, sick, depressed, and suffering.
ALL of America is like this shit. And ppl wonder I am so angry and bitter at life. Like when you KNOW this shit and how EVERYTHING is fucking rigged against you, so evil rich assholes can profit off of your suffering- how does one just close their eyes and live happy-happy lives? Ppl who easily “live in the moment,” ppl who “forget and forgive,” ppl who think “positive,” etc etc.
“Normal” ppl can’t understand why I am depressed. Meanwhile, I can’t understand how ppl can live in such ignorance / callousness??
Human society is fucking sociopathic. I have way too much feelings, for ppl, for the world, for fairness, for justice, etc. And apparently that makes me “broken” in this fucking shitty society.
Scientific illiteracy and education issues are more at fault. I didn’t learn how to tell the sponsored studies from the peer reviewed ones until my third year in college. One big tell is that there are some journals that print nothing but dreck, often for a fee.
So other scientists, ethical ones if there is still such a thing, should be able to tell the difference. Most scientific studies with a press release are SHOCK a marketting expense and not a valid study. You don’t have to dig very far, if the experiment lacks a control or doesn’t adaquitely deal with the established knowledge in the area, it’s probably bunk
Then there is the issue of the decay of journalism. It used to be that stuff like this was called out by newspapers and magazines. But for the last 30 years they’ve either been going out of business or being bought by people with a higher commitment to profit than to journalistic integrity.
What I’m saying is that I completely understand why it may look like bullshit in all directions. It’s just that there is actual truth. The problem with statistics is that we aren’t teaching the kind of statistics you need to analyze research until college. We should be teaching it in middle school. Plus there are college degrees that don’t require statistics, so going to college isn’t always a solution
The more sophisticated the deception, the more it takes to understand. Any system of defence be it deception or concealment can be defeated. The question is whether ordinary people are ready for that. Are they ready to find out that half of our “solutions” are there to fatten somebody’s wallet?
I think you and I, eternaldarkness, are a good case study in that, finding out how craven and greedy the sciences are getting can ruin anyone. So is it better not to know?
“The question is whether ordinary people are ready for that. Are they ready to find out that half of our “solutions” are there to fatten somebody’s wallet?”
>>Only half? You’re being much too generous. I would think like 90% of all “studies” are bullshit/funded by industry/interest. AT LEAST 90% if not more. If you stand to profit BILLIONS of dollars, you’d do everything you can to make sure sheeple follow whatever bullshit you’re peddaling. And Americans sure are eating up all the bullshit, like pies.
>>Also, no, the American ppl sure AF are NOT ready to know the truth. Sheeple want to be sheeple. They cannot be happy otherwise. Most ppl purposely ignore the sad truths about life so they can continue to be cogs in the machine. Otherwise, they wind up like us, depressed as fuck O_o.
“I think you and I, eternaldarkness, are a good case study in that, finding out how craven and greedy the sciences are getting can ruin anyone. So is it better not to know?”
YES, YES, YES, it is much better to NOT know. Ignorance truly is bliss. Knowledge destroys our belief in goodness. Knowledge makes ppl unhappy. Look at the brightest minds throughout history- they were the most depressed fuckers out there. For a good reason.
Would I rather take the blue pill and go back to not knowing and believing in feel-good stuff like: life is great, you can be whatever you want to be, you can climb out of poverty, anything is possible, the world isnt corrupt as shit, your government and politicians aren’t out to screw you and fatten their wallets, all industries are trying to make you sick so they can profit off of your illness/depression/obesity/alcoholism/eating disorder/poverty/crime/etc. Or that ALL the wars are about pirating and profiteering from your plunders vs the shit they tell us about “liberating” the ppl and giving them “freedom.” pfffffffffft
Would it be better to NOT know all this shit and continue to think life is great, ppl are wonderful and nice, and that the world is just and fair? Fuck yes! I want to be ignorant again. Sadly, once our eyes are opened to the fuckery that exists in this world, we cannot close our eyes again- at least I cannot. Hence, I am depressed AF about life. -_-
the problem with me is that i’v been red-pilled DECADES ago, even in my childhood, since i was in elementary/jhs. yes, even then at that age, i was thinking philosophical and deep thoughts. while everyone else was watching the simpsons and beavis and butthead -_-
i was the ONLY one that fucking QUESTIONED shit. and i was cast away as a weirdo and as a crazy- because i had the audacity to THINK for myself, unlike 99% of Americans. and guess what, all that shit i was questioning, NOW there are studies and facts proving all the shit i was questioning. UGH. and yet **I** am the fucking weirdo who’s broken. i am broken BECAUSE society is so fucked up, and the blame goes toward anyone who actually questions the fucked up shit in society rather than facing the brutal reality that our society IS fucked up, bc it is ruled by the rich who stands to profit ONLY if the masses are in ruins/dire straits.
in my early 20s, right after university, way way before most ppl recognized it. Most ppl who are red-pilled, were only recently, due to first the 2016/2020 election, and then the covid bullshit.