I can’t even type everything that’s going on with me. It doesn’t help me to tell people what’s going on. Unless you have about $2000 that you’re willing to donate me, and possibly a guaranteed job in Houston for my fiancee…there’s no help for me. Nothing has got better since the last few posts on here. I constantly think of suicide. Every single day I have at least one suicidal thought. I don’t know what to do. There’s nothing I can do, and no reason to fight for life anymore. I can’t say that I’ll kill myself. I thought I certainly would the last few times I posted on here. I never did. God, do I need to though.
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so you have a fiancee, but no reason to fight for life?
I can see this is going to be a great marriage.
An abusive, cheating fiancee. There will be no marriage. Just an endless engagement, for several reasons. But thanks for being rude -_-
oh you haven’t seen rude. Stick around a while, i’m sure someone else will oblige.
Why the hell does anyone stay with an abusive cheater, when there are plenty of people out there who would treat them like gold?
I could speculate, but… i’d definitely end up being rude, in that case.
Wow, I turn to this page for help, and instead I get to talk to another asshole. Seriously, you don’t know my situation.
1) you’re overreacting
2) i’m not an asshole
3) of course i don’t know your situation
There are only so many reasons why someone would stay with “an abusive cheating fiancee” in “an endless engagement” for “reasons.”
So which are yours?
Actually, never mind, i don’t need to know. All i need to know is that you’d rather stay with someone who mistreats you, than find anyone else. That’s your choice, not mine. If that’s what floats your boat, then by all means, continue.
My original assertion stands: the relationship is likely a significant contributor to your issues… but instead of dissolving and replacing it with a new/different one, you come here to ask other people to help you solve your problems… even though you won’t or can’t express them.
I can tell you right now, people are going to tell you: “ditch the jerk.”
If you prefer to keep your problematic situation, due to whatever benefits attached to it… i’m not sure how anyone would be able to help you (aside from that donation you mentioned…).
But good luck with all that. Maybe you’ll find an alternative that doesn’t require sacrificing what you want to keep, in order to correct what you need help with.
I don’t stay in the relationship because I want to. I can’t afford to get out. I can break up with him…but I will still have to live with him. Even with a full time job during the week, and a part time job on the weekends, I am too far in debt to get out of – at least – the house that I am in with him. Maybe stop being so ignorant now? Or just don’t reply unless it’s with an apology.
also, this:
http://suicideproject.org/2013/08/has-anybody-else-went-through-a-similar-experience/
http://suicideproject.org/2013/08/has-anybody-else-went-through-a-similar-experience/
If this is still going on, you need to get yourself out of this situation ALIVE. There is a hotline on this website where you can ask for direction: https://www.txabusehotline.org/Login/Default.aspx
Good luck, this is not going to be easy. After our first child passed, my wife turned abusive. Get out now. Do not marry him. People do not change, and you need to act immediately if you think you might find life worth living without that scumfuck loser.
Sending you love and support from a fellow Texan 🙂
Everyone, please. This is a “no-hate” website. At least, that’s why I came on here, because the rest of the social media is full of people that will curse at you and tear you down. As the writer of this post said, he came here for help. Judgement is part of human nature, so of course the text “my fiancee….no reason to fight for life” seems strange. But when people are hopeless, even love, if that is what it is, is nearly impossible to win you over. When I am thinking of suicide, I try to push everyone else out of my brain and think of what I need. Maybe this person is doing the same. Even if he/she was a bad person, we don’t know that. We also shouldn’t mock or make fun of anyone, even your worst enemy, that is having these sort of thoughts.
Also, to notwhoiwanttobe: Do you love your fiancee? If not, is it possible to end the relationship, that might put less stress on you..? I’m not sure, I don’t know the full situation. How come you “can’t afford to get out”? Is this meant literally? Although I am but a child, I understand that money can be a problem. If so, do you have a friend, a relative, a neighbor, anyone at all to live with or at least lean on?
little girl, back up.
There is no “hate” in this post. You’ve got a lot to learn yet.
I didn’t mean it in that sense, and I realize I am young and I have yet to learn many things. I may be a “little girl”, but that does not mean that I have no life experience at all. I am trying to be helpful.
I wish there was a way to ban Clevername from this site. Anyway, AnonymousGrl, and everyone else who asked: financially I can’t afford to move. I have been saving up a little money when I can, and looking for roommates. I even asked some coworkers, even though they don’t like me at my job, if she wanted to share an apartment since she was looking for a roommate as well. She ended up moving in with her sister.
I am swamped with medical, furniture, and car bills, and most of the time I end up paying the house note since my fiancee is unemployed. It’s almost as if he makes sure that I have no money to go anywhere.
“I wish there was a way to ban Clevername from this site”
Wut? He never had a dig at you. If you read animosity from logic then it’s pretty clear where the breakdown in communication lies.
I’ve done the whole best-defence-is-a-good-offence thing before but it only holds up for so long.
What he said offended me. Whether or not anyone else thinks it was offensive or not – if offended me.
Yes, we all are well aware that you were offended by what he said.
My point is that all he offered was logic and it was that that you were offended by.
Clevername is just an insensitive, senile, old toothless raccoon that got tired of digging through trash and decided to hop on a computer instead 🙂 doesn’t stop him from being a filthy, annoying pest
He offered an assumption and sarcasm. He knew nothing about my situation. That’s not logic. What I’m saying though is, don’t bother arguing with me or inputting your opinion on Clevername’s particular discussion with me because I’m offended and that’s that. You’re not going to make me less offended by trying to tell me it wasn’t offensive, just because YOU didn’t find it offensive.
Stendarr, I don’t understand your issue with the guy – you’ve always struck me as someone who is pretty logical. Yes, he tends to take tl;dr to a whole new level at times, but he’s always logical.
Anyway, particularly in this thread, he didn’t get his pest on, so far as I can see – he only made pertinent observations.
He’s a misogynistic, transphobic elitist, anyone who asserts himself as superior to others based on characteristics that are intrinsic and groups of people who have already been oppressed for as long as society has existed.
He’s incredibly insensitive and lacks empathy in all respects. Why can’t he understand that she is dependent on this guy and is unable to leave him as a result of that? It isn’t her choice whether she can leave or not. I’ve been in abusive relationships before and it’s very hard to leave them actually. The abuser emotionally manipulates the victim to the point where they feel incredibly guilty or afraid of the abuser and can’t leave them as a result of that. Not to mention she’s physically dependent on this guy. Clevername doesn’t no shit about what it’s like to be in an abusive relationship so of course he offers a fallacious opinion that has no merit at all. He should keep his trap shut on issues he has no knowledge or experience with
anyone who does so is worthless and deserves to be degraded to the piece of shit that they are *
@notwhoiwanttobe
I think as somebody who has read CNs post for a few months, I can tell you that his first post wasn’t sarcastic. It was a logical observation. I can see how you took offense to it but it was only a few posts later that you yourself were saying that you and your partner would never be married…And you still are bridging up over that original comment of CN’s.
Not going to say what I would were this on other parts of the internet, what I will say is that you’re being massively sensitive to something that was said, perhaps because it was true. Which is the whole point of an observation.
tl;dr neck up, sunshine
Stendarr, I’ve been emotionally manipulated in relationships before but that still doesn’t make CN’s point any less apt from my position.
I don’t think he lacks empathy, I just think that he doesn’t like to obfuscate things by sugar-coating them. I’m much the same and have actually gotten into some strife in my working life because people don’t seem to understand that being forward and decisive does not equate to being a bully.
In short, being direct isn’t bullying and you’re probably all displaying more about your own mental conditions than you had intended to when you attack someone like CN for being forthright.
Paraphrasing him, he implied the OP was dumb for not leaving her abuser. Yes, leaving the abuser is the logical choice for the victim, but when you throw in emotional and physical manipulation alongside dependency it isn’t that simple. Simplifying her issues is incredibly offensive.
My mental condition is *****, CN’s mental condition is more like “old cat that can’t walk straight and keeps meowing despite their mental and motor functions being out of date but is too much of a whiny ***** to let thems self be put down”
To paraphrase is to show what you read from what he posted. I think we’ve already identified that you read it differently than I do and I think he probably reads it differently than either of us do so let’s avoid paraphrasing.
To give an example, I’ll paraphrase you: “CN said that OP is dumb because she’s being dumb. Sometimes it’s tough not to be dumb and to say it’s dumb is rude.”
Savvy?
Yes it’s over-simplifying your point, but it’s really how it could be read by some people. And yes, I get the whole emotional manipulation side of things, I really do, but some people just communicate in ways that are different to the way you do. It doesn’t make them glib or insensitive, it just makes them different to you.
Suppose that’s all I’m trying to say.
Your latest comment only illustrates my point further, I thnk.
The OP is not being dumb, that’s the whole point
I certainly didn’t say she was and you’ve just shown that you missed my point entirely.
“but instead of dissolving and replacing it with a new/different one, you come here to ask other people to help you solve your problems… even though you won’t or can’t express them.”
“Why the hell does anyone stay with an abusive cheater, when there are plenty of people out there who would treat them like gold?
I could speculate, but… i’d definitely end up being rude, in that case.”
if you don’t interpret this as CN calling the OP dumb i think you may also have a similar mental condition to CN’s
In any case, I’m off to bed because it’s after midnight and now that I’m back at work I was hoping to get myself back into some kind of human sleeping pattern. Please re-read the comments I’ve posted, though, and try to see that people communicate in different ways. Don’t want to keep playing the white knight character but I’m getting a bit sick of seeing CN bollocked where it isn’t warranted.
Right, well I was turning in for the night, but I’ll take one last minute to implore you to look up the definition of the word “forthright.” Or any one of the other synonyms that I’ve used for it already in this thread.
I’d like to say that you’re starting to betray an ignorance for the English language but that would be unkind because I know that the truth is that you’re simplying displaying a bias against Clevername.
Goodnight, SP.
it’s funny how you guys apparently missed the fact that i did not press the issue further, after OP essentially said “i’m stuck.”
But i’ve said nothing here that warrants any apology (unlike some of you).
What is described in both the OP and OP’s previous posts, does indeed indicate that the relationship is most likely a significant contributor to her distress, and as many would agree, should be dissolved, ASAP (which has already been suggested in prior posts).
She needs to ditch the jerk, period.
If she won’t, it “must be” because said relationship affords her some benefit she’s unwilling to relinquish… which she has indeed confirmed, IS the case.
People who stay in abusive relationships, and the abusers in said trapping relationships, are one of my pet peeves. It pisses me off to see that people stay with abusers, just because they feel “stuck,” which is heavily based on some benefit or advantage they feel they cannot surrender, afforded by said abuser.
SB has developed some sort of bizarre personal vendetta against me, and i honestly have no idea why. It seems completely irrational and unfounded, from my perspective, which i’m sure she should guess, really doesn’t surprise me much.
I honestly suspect this has something to do with the not-officially-related chat room some SP users frequent, and the activity i’ve been told sometimes occurs there. From what i’ve heard, people ***** about me in there, constantly, just because my comments are often lengthy and sometimes unpopular.
Anyway, if you guys want to act like a bunch of children, there’s not much i can do about it. I already have enough of my own problems. I’m already suffering enough from being stuck in my own bad situation. I don’t think this is an appropriate place for a which hunt or a showdown… so stop trying to turn it into one.
“just because my comments are often lengthy and sometimes unpopular.”
lol I explicitly stated why: you’re a misogynistic, transphobic elitist. Are your eyes becoming as incompetent as your sensibility?
@bullfrog
omg only nerdz use dictionaries
stating it doesn’t make it true. And since it isn’t, and you keep insisting it is, i can see you’re unwilling to adjust your interpretation of reality to be more accurate. In other words: you’re determined to misrepresent me, because you have a personal vendetta for some bizarre reason; as i just stated.
“I honestly suspect this has something to do with the not-officially-related chat room some SP users frequent, and the activity i’ve been told sometimes occurs there. From what i’ve heard, people ***** about me in there, constantly, just because my comments are often lengthy and sometimes unpopular.”
For clarification, I would hardly characterize it as “constant” bitching but yes you are a subject of discussion at times in the chat rooms. Also yes whenever you are discussed it is almost universally negative. Does it really surprise you that people look upon you with disdain? That you are such a target for derision? I already gave you my views on it. If people think you have the attitude that you are better than them. They will want to see you fail, they want to see you brought down. It is pretty basic human nature.
I can reference a myriad of your comments to justify my assertion:
[to a transman that wanted to remove his breasts] “The fact of the matter is that people who want to remove parts of their body “because they dislike them,†are typically, and arguably correctly, assessed to be mentally ill.”
“most women are naturally irrational and deceptive, and have no need of reality or logic, they don’t even understand what bigotry means, while flinging it at every human who happens to lack a vagina, while accusing those who lack vaginas of being “sexist.—
Tell me how you can defend yourself against my claim that you are transphobic and misogynistic?
You know what, dont even defend yourself, the evidence speaks for itself and you just shit out excuses left and right while avoiding the responsibility of your elitist opinions. Go crawl back into your hole and suffocate in all the defecation you produce from crapping out shitty excuses for everyone’s sake, k?
Oh look, you brought a cheerleader.
And you’re still missing the point of that quote, which was many months ago by now.
Like i said in a recent comment: those who disregard the difference between explanation and excuse, aren’t really worth the effort to explain anything.
Neither of you are worth my time.
And, i did not imply the OP was dumb… you simply inferred it.
I find it hilarious that you don’t even seem to realize that you using that quote merely proves my points against you. You’re being irrationally prejudiced against someone who has a different preference and different opinions, while claiming only your own preference is acceptable. I wonder when, or if, you’ll realize it.
You have to admit that some of Stendars insults are funny. “A toothless raccoon who got tired of digging through trash and hopped on a keyboard instead”.
Hehe. Sorry for laughing clevername, but you gotta admit she has her moments. 🙂
Laugh at what you find humorous, i don’t mind.
I suppose i’d be irritated too, if i had carpet burn on my tongue. Just not sure how that translates to being my fault. I don’t think i should be blamed or attacked for what others choose to do with their own tongues.
It’s like duke said, not long ago: people have to fight fake evil they’ve invented, because fighting real evil is too scary and dangerous. I think people like to paint me as a villain, because the Real Villains are just too scary.
I do indeed support gender equality and women’s rights, just as i support mental health equality and men’s rights. To emphatically promote one over the other, would be… well, exactly what SB is doing, as she continues to pretend that is “equality.”
I dislike trannies, because i find it “weird” and “gross.” And that’s okay, because just like anyone, i’m entitled to my own opinion and preference. I don’t think people should mutilate their bodies due to believing they “should have been born the other sex.” I won’t condone or advocate it, but neither will i stop anyone. I will merely suggest they refrain from mutilating their own bodies. And at the same time, people like SB are entitled to lick as much carpet as they want, or even be racist, sexist, needlessly antagonistic hypocrites… just as i am entitled to disagree and protest it, because i dislike those things.
In case anyone can’t figure it out for themselves, I’m not the one chasing any certain user around the site, trying to convince everyone to give that person a harder time. I try to leave SB alone, but she’s determined to cause problems, based on her own self-justified irrationality. She’s the one trying to be antagonistic, not i.
I wonder how the feminism “movement” would fair, or what would become of it, if the alleged “patriarchy” they incessantly decry, did not actually exist, and was instead shown to be their own misinterpretation or even intentional misrepresentation of reality… their own false paradigm.
I see “problem>reaction>solution” here. It’s like they’ve created some phantom villain, in order to attempt to justify the solution they originally wanted to achieve. The reality is that even if such a “patriarchy” does exist, it is a MINORITY of Men, and is a group to which i am certainly not connected, nor would i ever endorse. And so, to be repeatedly antagonized over something that has nothing at all to do with me, is not just farcical, but completely arbitrary. I think the only reason i’m being singled out and attacked, is because she realized she doesn’t have an actual enemy, so she needed to create one, in attempt to artificially justify her own innate compulsion toward malice.
Ew even using transphobic slurs. Finding trans* individuals weird or “gross” is akin to finding interracial marriages or couples “weird” or “gross”. It makes you racist in the same way the former makes you transphobic. Your ignorance and narrow mindedness is what perpetuates their oppression regardless if you keep it to yourself or not.
Ew you’re homophobic too. Don’t be jealous I lick carpets while you lick the shit stains off the walls of your lonely little hole.
I suppose there’s nothing more intolerable than intolerance.
Reminds me of the straight edge movement. They were so drunk on their own self righteousness that they would beat up smokers, drinkers and meat eaters. I guess when you consider yourself more evolved than your adversary you’re no longer obligated to treat him/her with civility and respect.
not scared of homos at all, just don’t swing that way. Not sure why you want me to be scared of it…
And i’m not racist either; never said anything disapproving of interracial couples. I personally find black girls aesthetically appealing (which doesn’t mean i find any non-black girl any less appealing). As it turns out, i’m not into any color of dude; go figure.
I’m not sure why SB wants this to be a personal issue, but apparently, she has personal issues, and wants them to become my issue.
Maybe i am indeed special, after all. I don’t see her treating others with such obsessive attentiveness.
Wow you really are old, the contemporary meaning of “homophobic” is someone that is prejudiced against homosexual people. This just demonstrates your ignorance even further.
Yeah, i don’t treat other people like you because most people are decent people and not pieces of shit like you 🙂
If by homophobic, you mean “i don’t want to have sex with other men…” then i guess that’s true. But “phobic” comes from “phobia” which means “irrational fear,” which is not the case. I have no reason to fear homos. I’ve met plenty of them, of both genders, who seemed like perfectly decent individuals, to me.
I think you’re just having a hard time accepting that i’m not what you want me to be, nor am i what you want others to think i am.
You used a homophobic slur against me, that’s an example of homophobia.
Yes, I want you to be a decent person and unfortunately you’re far below the standards of a basic decent human being.
“You used a homophobic slur against me, that’s an example of homophobia.”
No, that’s an example of “turnabout is fair play.” Also “you started it.”
You want to talk mad shit and then act like i’m terrible for countering in matching form, and then pretend to be superior just because you’re gay/bi/whatever.
It’s just stupid. Stop being stupid.
And i find it hilariously ironic that You of all people, want to act like you know the definition of “decent human being.” You are almost as low as it gets. You’ve been frothing for days now, over your own cognitive derangement. I think you should reassess yourself with a much higher degree of honesty, and consider what your needless antagonism and scapegoating actually says about you.
In elementary school, sometimes when a little boy liked a little girl he would follow her around incessantly and hurl insults at her. He wasn’t sure how else to get her attention and he desperately wanted to be noticed.
The poor little girl didn’t appreciate all of this unwanted attention. She didn’t like being insulted; but what she didn’t realize was that the hapless youngster tormenting her had a crush on her and just didn’t know how else to communicate this.
Miss Stendar? If you like clevername just tell him. Perhaps he’s stirred feelings in you that are causing you to reevaluate your orientation/preferences. It’s ok, sweetheart. Search your feelings and be honest. Just let it all out.
If I spend my time occupying the same site you do, do you think I would be a decent person? lol
I never asserted I was superior, you asserted that being a lesbian is worthy of being an insult implying that *you* are the one who is above homosexuals.
yeah, i am cognitively deranged if i think that interacting with you is worthy of my time lol
I find Clevername less appealing than dirt, my preference must be ubiquitous with females as he doesn’t seem to have much luck with them. I doubt anyone outside of SP would find him to be as appealing as dirt even.
@Stenarr; I remember talking to you back in the day on JJ chat. I used to look forward to interacting with you. I thought you were exceptionally bright, very funny, and usually objective, clear headed and fair.
I still think that you’re a standout. You possess many positive character traits and I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if your IQ is much higher than mine. I’m not the slightest bit ashamed to admit that. You, Miss Stendar give me hope for the future. I like knowing that you exist on this planet. The world is a better place with you in it.
The thing I’m not down with is the clevername bashing. You’ve reduced him to a caricature. He’s a one dimensional cardboard cut out. A phantom menace. A villian with virtually no redeeming qualities according to your assessment of him.
C’mon grrrl. You’re better than that.
Poor dirt is always discriminated against. He has rights as well!
CN defines his own character and impression through his opinions that he states here, yes I can only see the dimension that he creates here and because it is such an ugly, shitty side i can only assume it reflects his entirety.
I very much appreciate your former sentiment though, thank you 🙂
i can’t determine who is or isn’t a good person, based solely upon the amount of time spent on SP.
You are implying your superiority. I see it, and anyone with mental competence can see it. Anyone with above-competent intelligence can also see your completely arbitrary and unwarranted antagonism, and even that it’s apparently rooted in you believing homosexuality is somehow “superior,” due to the fallacious belief that homos are somehow inherently less prejudiced. But i could just as easily say that all homos are inherently prejudiced against the opposite sex. Stating it wouldn’t make it right… but it’s not necessarily wrong either.
And sure, maybe i am “prejudiced” against someone whose very identity makes them incompatible with what i desire. But if your preference is yours, then you don’t get to justifiably claim or accuse that i’m “prejudiced,” when it is you, in fact, who has already decided you don’t like something, and behaves accordingly.
If lesbians are lesbians, then why should i not think their preexisting preference (whether innate or otherwise) will not be a factor in any potential interactions we might share? It will obviously and definitely be a factor. Therefore, it is *correct* for me to assume “she wouldn’t want that with me,” and then behave accordingly. I don’t think it’s accurate to call that “prejudice,” because i can guarantee you, any girl’s preference for other girls, would not stop me from allowing her to make me an exception. But that’s pretty unlikely, so it’s only useful in the case of such an argument.
Ergo: you are at least as prejudiced as you accuse me of being, if not more. Therefore: you are a hypocrite.
And! The only reason i made that “carpet burn” joke, is because you repeatedly provoked me. Like i said: you want to talk mad shit and then get mad when you receive a comparable response.
“You can dish it out, but can’t take it.” By definition, that makes you “offensive.” You even had the audacity to command me not to defend myself against your repeatedly unwarranted and personal attacks.
So, like i said: you’re being irrational, not helping the case raised against you. You have some kind of personal vendetta against me, and i don’t even know why. I think you tried to explain it, but it really seemed like you’re just making any excuse to be a *****, because you just like being a *****, just because you think that’s “cool.”
If you just enjoy being a *****, i suppose that’s your prerogative… but it’s kinda stupid for you to then act like you don’t deserve to be insulted in similar ways to your own needlessly and incessantly instigated antagonism.
Like i said: i don’t chase anyone around any site, just trying to cause problems, just to be a *****, like you obviously feel entitled to do.
I still remember being informed of your little identity ruse… and i actually defended you, stuck up for you, and never once called you out on it.
And now, here you are, singling me out like you just need some kind of scapegoat to use as a target for the megabitch image you wish to portray to your e-peers.
That wasn’t a former sentiment. I still think you’re sharp as a tack and if I was a teenaged girl (without a girlfriend) I would soooo go after you. 🙂
I happen to be a male though who’s old enough to be your father so that isn’t an option.
um i dont think that being a ***** is cool, i think neon yellow moon shoes are cool
” i can guarantee you, any girl’s preference for other girls, would not stop me from allowing her to make me an exception.”
yikes, you don’t know anything about homosexuality do you?
It doesn’t matter that you were provoked, it matters that you thought that that was an insult at all.
Clevername and Wifeisgone because of his religious views contradict the lifestyle of some members of the site and their friends which is why they are disliked. When the prejudice is neutral i.e affects a section of society that doesn’t concern these people it’s ok. So really it’s not about what’s morally acceptable at all but the indirect disapproval that people take issue with. PainNlife had the right idea in getting away from them and now he should be able to make progress.
I know enough to know that sometimes girls will claim to be lesbians when they’re more accurately Bi… in fact, i lived next door to a couple of “lesbians” for a while, and when they broke up, one moved out, and the other confessed her attraction to me, and claimed she had realized she was never actually gay, but was bi, and was now interested in guys. We drank together a few times, and something almost happened once… ended up not working out, but i don’t hate her. After some time had passed, she stopped by out of the blue one day, just because. By then, i was reeling with the results of the girl who ultimately ruined me.
And yes, it does indeed matter that i was provoked (lol at antagonist dismissing their own antagonism…).
But on the other hand, it wasn’t even intended to be insulting in the way you apparently interpreted. If you want to lick carpet, don’t blame me for your burnt tongue. The insult has nothing to do with your sexual preference, and everything to do with you being a ***** to me for no good reason. I guess you missed the point, because you were too hung up on sexuality, like any hypocritical sexist would be.
What is so wrong with licking carpet?!?!?
One of the few things in life I enjoy and am good at. Though I rarely get the chance to do so…
“What is so wrong with licking carpet?!?!?”
Nothing, unless you blame someone else for your burnt tongue.
another factor here is clearly the “defense of investment” problem.
Once someone has already so heavily invested in something, they are either unwilling to accept it is flawed and should be abandoned, or, they realize this, and it erects a cognitive dissonance construct, in order to protect that investment.
SB has sunk so much time and effort into portraying me as a villain, it’s now impossible for her to admit she’s wrong, even if she already knows it. In order to avoid others figuring out she’s wrong, she has to try very hard to convince as many people as possible of my false-villainy, or she’ll lose her investment, and several credibility points, and be embarrassed… but perhaps more importantly, lose a chunk of her ability to influence the interpretations of her peers.
That’s what’s happening here. I’m just not sure what to do about it, since she keeps antagonizing me every time i say anything, to make herself seem like a champion of the values of her peer group. But i don’t share the values of her peer group, and i’m not going to change my mind, unless someone is able to reconfigure their explanation of what i disagree with, in a way that makes me not disagree with it.
But all that “suffocate in your own defecation” garbage is certainly not going to convince me that your stance is valid, or even valuable in any way, shape or form.
One person is trying to cause detriment to another, while the other does not. I’d say that makes me win by default, if only i didn’t know there was a cabal of malicious people trying to cause problems at my expense, who would prefer to embrace a false paradigm of their preference, rather than admitting and accepting a clear view of reality. Or, the notion has also occurred to me, that they are simply incapable of accurately perceiving reality, which, if not for their malicious intent, would make me pity them.
Interesting