Does anyone else hate god?

Very good points there Stain,

Emotions certainly are the very cause for suffering to exist, unless we are talking about some very primal pain which comes from an act of an animal killing for feeding the offspring for example; does a gnu feel sadness and desperation while it´s hunted down and savaged by a lion – or just pain. But what kind of pain.

As we agreed, seems like the evolved animals have the capability of emotional interaction or feelings; so in a sense we as humans are the very top notch. But is that a progressive evolution or a mutation – good question. I feel that it has to be some form of progression; mutations often only occur rarely and are only seen in certain groups of people or creatures – whether for genetic reasons, pollution or chance. If emotions were part of a mutation they would not have evolved like they have. Emotional evolution would have had come to stop at some point – or at least some other mutation would have overpowered it if it had been there for pure chance or even in vein. Overall it seems that a mutation could possibly start a progressive evolution if it´s useful for the creature in any way – and ineffectual ones would ultimately meet their demise, be recessive.

A nature never takes a wrong turn unless it´s an accidental mistake; like a mutation, but it´s only there for a brief time and hence usually not progressive. These syndromes, like Downs, are very good examples of nature taking the very wrong way. But nowadays we keep these beings – as harsh as it may sound – alive because we have the power. And there the evolution gets eventually perhaps even overpowered by the intelligence of men – and in a way it already has.

Scientists seem to be on their way of really getting to the roots of genetics as we speak and who know what will happen; stem cells, overly developed treatments for certain conditions and other “mumbo-jumbos” to prolong our disgraceful existence. If we continue to develop our science and cross a certain threshold at some point, the evolution might eventually be clueless; we have then won the battle for survival of the fittest.

This is already seen in some aspects in our everyday lives; internet, computers and other apps have changed the world. Geeks for example are starting to take over the planet – although the word geek is no more valid, since we all seem to fit the category in a sense these days. But women still unfortunately seek mainly the strong and protective men for their companions and for breeding purposes.

As for you talking about senseless acts of violence: murder, rape and abuse. There I think something could have gone wrong in genetics. Why don´t genetics prefer good traits over bad: empathy, sympathy, compassion, benevolence and honesty for example. Maybe they do but it´s not as black and white as it may seem. Are having certain genes merely a chance or are we as we speak in some evolutionary transition so at the moment this all may seem very vague for us – who knows. Good and bad gene traits are often seen to affect together with an upbringing and environment rather than genes only of course.

It´s sadly clear that not so respected personality traits are nowadays too often seen in some places quite abundantly – is it a coincidence that the majority of people running firms, being in an executive status are usually narcissistic and even psycho- or sociopaths. And thinking about some of the former leaders in the world; upbringing and childhood experiences are in my opinion the biggest factors for what becomes of a child – Hitler, some serial killers. But I´m afraid to say that violent emotions could be linked to an evolutionary superiority; could they merely be a condition of bad parenting, abuse or from another environmental cause. Violent or abusive people often do have the power though and seem superior, you´re very right on that one, but most are in jails these days or have a shorter life span and hence can´t produce offspring. We also have laws and rules in our society nowadays that prevent emotionally violent people from distributing their twisted justice to the innocent and to the good folks as much as they would like. So even if there once were superiority in some violent gene pool; I suppose it´s receding as we speak and has already.

But the most important factors for human development are the environmental affects; when a child is born it´s almost an empty canvas in my opinion. And the childhood experiences overcome the natural instincts and gene factors; personality is created from an external and internal experiences. Gradually evolving into a good or bad person. So universal evolution has no saying in this, other than that of how certain genes might endanger a person for some illnesses or other unnatural desires.

So, is there any involvement with evolution any more in human emotional growth; we control our offspring from the day they are born and raise them as we please. Parents can easily make a child into a killer if they want to. So it seems that we as humanity have in a sense beaten the evolutionary laws – and we can create our own future and children as we desire.

And finally, seems like the people with these weak emotions as you said Stain, are the ones who suffer nowadays the most, life is hard and very difficult to cope with if having overly emotional and sensitive personality. Those traits could indeed be recessive. I am very emotional too. So here we are.