My last post suddenly blew up with pointless raging that came out of nowhere, so hopefully this doesn’t happen again here.
Anyway, I was laying here thinking about before when my priest told me that life is a gift after I asked why I would be doomed to hell if I killed myself…and I got to thinking, life is a gift, but if a gift is given to you and it breaks, and no matter how many times you try to fix it, it stays broken. You wouldn’t expect the person to hold on to something so useless would you?
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There are millions of people who are going to live as long as they otherwise would have because of their diet and lifestyle. In principle it’s the same as an act of suicide. We could all live longer than we eventually will. If they say what happens is what god intended then a person committing suicide must also be part of his great plan. If we have free will then we have choice. If we don’t then life is a game of chance not a gift and it doesn’t matter which of the six million ways a person dies. Life is precious because it’s all we have and it’s just as meaningless for the same reason.
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Yeah it might be a gift or whatever, but as any gift we have the right to reject it
or, if you give someone a gift and it makes them terminally ill and burns their house down…
They’re probably not going to be glad to have received such a thing.
All great points.
I said the same thing to my mother, Duke, while discussing this whole suicide thing. What if death by my own hands is God’s plan?
I just wish their wasn’t an off-chance I’ll be engulfed in flames for all eternity.
I know some of you may not be religious. So I just hope people will keep their opinions respectful.
i tend to think that any god worth respecting, would be reasonable and forgiving enough to understand why some people would choose not to continue existing in this world. If you don’t think your god would understand such things, then maybe you need a better god.
Clever, that sounds like you could “change your god like you change your underwear.” I wouldnt expect you to stop thinking logically would I?
@buscetti: Thank god we have confession and reconciliation. I believe if you truly feel sorry for something then God will forgive you. I know my suicide would be a mistake to god and my family, but I also know if I will ever be in the situation to actually commit suicide, god wont stop loving me and neither will my family.
I can’t find a better God, Clevername, because there is no other God. How do I know this? I don’t. But it’s what I believe.
@Clair- I really hate confession. I always come out feeling ashamed, worthless, like I failed at life, humiliated….etc. I guess it isn’t supposed to be liberating. I think maybe it’s good I feel those things because it shows I’m regretful.
I know God will never stop loving any of us no matter what we do. My family on the other hand, I don’t know what the lasting effects would be besides sorrow and guilt and never ending void.
I really pray I don’t go to hell if I go through with it.
Yeah, I feel pretty much the same about confession. The “danger” is that you start doing things which you shouldnt do because you know you can just confess it and youre fine. Suicide is one of those things. The question isnt even whether you go to church and confess (you obviously cant do that if youre dead) or not but whether you regret what you did. God will know if you do.
I know in the catechism it says that depending on a person’s mental state that reduces their culpability of the sin or whatever….but because I’m trying to reason all if this, I’m going to be 100% guilty, aren’t I? Am I in a right state of mind? No. But am I in a right enough state of mind to know it’s wrong? Yeah, even though I have a hard time accepting it.
I just wish I was “normal”, you know?
Of course! Who here doesnt wish the same?
I personally dont think God would leave me to “suffer in hell” for the one mistake of suiciding compared to the rest of my life. My local priest has a similar opinion about hell, especially because he is rather liberal. But ultimately I wouldnt think to much about this. It is way more important to trust god to know what is best for you. Suicide is somewhat of a mistrust to god. And I wont hide the fact that my faith isnt 100% perfect and that I have doubts and that I am not 100% sure continuing to live is the right choice. But who can say that they have never doubted god once?
Most definitely my faith is far from perfect as well. I have doubted God more than once.
And you’re right….like I had said to my uncle once before….whether I do it or not is up to me, and what happens after is ultimately up to God.
I just have to keep reminding myself he is merciful and there has to be a good place I go after this life. It’s rather comforting to think about. Death, I mean.
Yeah, I used to think alot about death and the possibility of not going to heaven after I die and it was rather scary. But now I accept death as a part of life and even welcome it. It is funny how usually elderly people say the same. I just wish it will be god who takes my life and not me.
I wonder though, if I will ever feel better and enjoy life, will I start fearing death again?
Good question. I often wonder now if I am still afraid of death and it’s just the peace and tranquility of heaven I’m looking for instead.
I often wonder why God will answer many prayers except “please kill me.”
Maybe it’s his sign to us to just wait. I am waiting….but growing very weary in the process.
I remember reading this on another thread (its probably not quoted correctly): “You need to know darkness to see the light.” Makes sense, although I wonder why some see the light without ever having to experience darkness.
I also pray the same, but then I think: If my sister/ brother or mom/ dad asked me to kill them, would I actually do it? Im pretty certain I wouldnt. So how could I expect god to take my life?