I think people often only look at the ‘good’ sides of the money system, but overlooking (or even neglecting) many ‘bad’ sides, in fact perhaps much more than the ‘good/positive’ of the money system! that is IMHO where lies the main problem of all the constant debates & misunderstandings.
The fall of U.S & Europe financial crisis (and soon perhaps the world’s economic collapse, in 2012) have somewhat really proved about this.
People need to seriously look at the Bigger Picture of things, to be very objective, of what Money (system) also caused to humanity.
Out of curiosity, have any of you here ever heard of: Resource Based Economy (RBE), Venus Project, Zeitgeist, and/or Paradism? try google them. They’re all might be different names, but essentially share the same (or very similar) philosophy & value, and the main thing is: to get away from the current Monetary system (and it’s NOT even about communism, if you study deeper about them).
These might actually be the solution to many of humanity’s current interlinked & complex problems. Once again, it’s the System.
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The Third World War is being fought right now. It is a war of aggression by the ‘markets’ against peoples and countries and social services. Already the Markets have toppled several governments in Europe and hold their populations in debt servitude.
The Governments of the USA and UK are occuypists of a sort – they are the planted shills of the financial industry; privatising for the profit of the 1% – cutting the welfare state, the NHS, Medicare and Medicaid, so that there are no state services left and we have to turn to private companies – companies which lobbied and paid politicians to bring about this very state of affairs. Politicians do not represent us – they represent their masters.
Read David Malone’s GolemXIV blog to find the truth. This is a war and we, the peoples, are losing.
Causeway stop hate in the u.k. Did Russia get it better.?
Summed up very nicely by causeway.
@Dr dolittle, It’s not about hating on the UK or the US it’s the truth, they fucked us all over.
If I were to look at the bigger picture, I’d be inclined to ask why this matters. [ I’m not against a debate or observation, of course]
But do you suppose we’re capable of changing this?
@Heart, I suppose if enough people got together it could be changed. That’s what the Occupy movement is trying to accomplish. Unfortunately a lot of people are ignorant to their cause and think they are just low-life smelly hippies and the reason they can’t get a job is because it’s their own fault…which isn’t the case.
And yes, it does matter, it’ll be the downfall of us all.
Fair Point.
I suppose I am overly pessimistic, but I cannot think of a significant or permanent change that we have been able to contribute [positively]. I’m sure their is, but it certainly doesn’t discount our backward steps.
Don’t get me wrong, I still do my share of contributing to certain causes. It just feels our downfall is eminent..
[Once I go to sleep, I should be more optimistic. Promise.]
It’s okay to be pessimistic. Honestly, I think our downfall is imminent too. A change needs to happen fast and it has to be huge. And I don’t think that’s possible. Our government’s are too stupid to recognize that there is even a problem. At least mine is (usa).
Hmm,
Interesting thread guys – good post niki and yep heard/read about most of it as well as being ‘reasonably’ uptodate on current affairs.
But causeway, well said my friend. The bottom line is the top 1-2% “privatise their profits”, but strangely, “socialise their losses” ie when they make money they keep it, but when they lose money, strangely they want ‘the ignorant public’ to pay for their losses with tax bailouts etc. Which is exactly what happened.
A don’t believe downfall is imminent per se, but a lot of people are suffering all over the world in cities and rural regions because of governments menacing and downright meek stance towards ‘human greed’.
Once everyone does become short sighted and ONLY wants profits & NOW, they inadvertently destroy anything & everything that has been bult up over time and is good for society.
Economies must move from a profit objective economy -> to a quality objective economy.
That way, everyone’s focus shifts to doing a good job (doctors, nurses, politicians, engineers, counciles, teachers, business people VS an ‘economical job’ (ie quick & fast).
That sums up my view.
@adastra and @causeway & everyone: please do google: Resource Based Economy (RBE), Venus Project, Zeitgeist, and/or Paradism. They’re all might be different names, but essentially share the same (or very similar) philosophy & value, and the main thing is: to get away from the current Monetary system (and it’s NOT even about communism, if you study deeper about them)!
These might actually be the solution to many of humanity’s current interlinked & complex problems. Once again, it’s the System.
also, regarding the “top 1-2%” like @adastra mentioned above,
have any of you recently heard about that there’s a POSSIBILITY of Truth among those Conspiracy theorists like the NWO (New World Order), ‘The Elites’ or TPTB (The Power That Be), even when you go down deeper the rabbit hole: organizations like the Illuminati, Rockefeller, Freemason,….and much more stuff that even when I mention you guys probably wouldn’t believe it with your *limited* so-called “rational” human minds..
But my point is: the more I’ve read & hear & researched about those things,
the more -somehow- things seem to click & connect with each other, thorough human’s history,
and I’ve come to the conclusion of how it might possibly be true that: we’re all under a very, very evil SCHEMES going on now, caused by those “top 1-2%” a.k.a THE ELITES (and those “Secret Organizations behind the screen”, if you want to penetrate further/deeper the veils of the story!…).
scary, but it seems true…especially with all these current economic global crisis nowadays..
these all somehow signaling that something is terribly WRONG.
*Somebody* is trying to TRAP & ENSLAVE us “ordinary humans”..! and that’s bad news!
I like a good conspiracy theory. I will make it a point to do my research and expand my “limited” human mind. It’s just kinda late and I don’t think I have the mental capacity to do so right now. Thanks for sharing all of that though.
@TheGoodGirl: it’s good to hear that you are Open-minded to start doing your own research into the ‘rabbit hole’ itself..
I would even say that the majority of suicidal people here perhaps don’t understand that all their complex issues & problems (especially those related with MONEY problems) is actually caused by something (or “Someone”) much much BIGGER, and that it’s just a tip of the iceberg!
…only if one bother to do some researches on their own. Internet is a great blessing for humankind (as opposed to the often-CONTROLLED mainstream media like TV, radio, newspaper). so use it well for your own research. don’t trust me, but do your own research.
I’ve already done some research on the Illuminati a while ago. But yeah, it’s obvious government’s aren’t for the people. They have their own agenda.
I just wanted to say, yes, the Venus Project will always make more sense than anything these people have written here.